Bridging Perspectives: A Jew and Palestinian Discuss the Israel-Hamas War | Counter Narrative Ep. 152

Speaker 1: 0:00

Ladies and gentlemen, I am your guest host, adam King, host of the Adam King show, filling in for the mom and bear, christy Lee, on Counter Narrative. We're back again. I was here last time when I stood outside of ADL World Headquarters in New York City with a giant sign that says ADL hates Jews, changed my mind. That was me. Look up that video is great. I'm a host at bandvideo found at Info Wars and that's where we all connect, christy and I. I want to encourage everybody to check out my page at bandvideo the Adam King show. But today we are here on the counter narrative and that's what it's all about. We got a great show lined up for all of you today. We got two Phenomenal guests coming in, one in studio. We got the head of marketing for censored TV, hayden McDougal, founder of the meme war, and joining us from London. We will be with Palestinian opposition leader to the King of Jordan, moutar Zaran. And there's just like so much happening in the world, there's so much to talk about and all these Different guests. You know it's like the world is pigeonholing us right now into talking about one single thing Israel, palestine, jews versus Muslims, apocalypse, end of the world. And you know what I'm just like, so sick of it. So I want to take this time to talk to the counter narrative audience and I really want to make a plea to To everyone that we stop talking about what they want us to talk about. These are all scripted Global instances where our solicited response is Programmed. They knew the 500,000 people are gonna come out in every city in America and rip down American flags and and pull off. You know, beat people up in the streets. Just here in California a man was killed on the street Paul Kessler for wearing an Israeli flag over his his jacket and he was struck in the head by a megaphone from a University professor who hit him in the head with a megaphone and killed him and so like. People are all incensed right now and enraged over everything, because everyone loves their emotions and that's where we are at right now. What can the New World Order do to trigger your emotions? Don't be a simp. If you're a simp, you're gonna fall victim to exactly what they want. If someone comes at me with Jew hatred, if I get emotionally response to, if I emotionally respond to it, it's my fault. I'm getting played. If someone comes at you the listener audience and says this is happening over here distraction, distraction, distraction. What is it for? It's to take you off of your game. Look at all the things happening in the world. Have you heard anything about the Ukrainian situation? No silence on the Ukrainian front. Have you heard anything about Biden's impeachment? So the subpoenas of the Biden family? Because all the Biden's just got subpoenaed to the house. They're rolling out a huge line of Biden's. No, you don't hear anything about that. Why? Because the media wants you to be sucked into a narrative of Israel, palestine, jew versus Muslim, christian versus Muslim, everybody versus everybody. Global war, catastrophe, catastrophe, catastrophe. We're not gonna fall for it, because this is the counter narrative and the counter narrative is no Clashwab and and Bill Gates, we got you. We know exactly what you're doing with your media plugs, constant bombardment of the public of all the different stories you want us to be entrenched by, and what they understand about Israel, palestine is. It's the most sensitive news topic in the entire world. Anything could be happening and an American, a White, anglo-saxon, protestant, waspy af American could be. Who has never been to Israel, who doesn't even know a Muslim friend, all the sudden is Bombarded and has every opinion in the world. Stop it. Let's all stop it. Let's come back together, let's talk about the real things that are happening in our society. Let's talk about the things that are hidden from us, and and you know like I'm a big fan of the real esoteric conspiracies, that's where I really find my home. I'm into Nazis in Antarctica, I'm into project bluebeam. These are things that I think are real pressing agendas that are being unfolded, but all of this is just to trip us off of our game, because there's 357 days left to elections and they need to make sure that we don't get to elections, if elections even matter, to be honest with you, because who knows who's in what team and who's playing this person and playing that person? Everybody's saying what they want to say, trying to find relevance. Chris Christie's running, so he doesn't have to run, get it. Let's just say Chris Christie's rolling because he can't run, but he can waddle. He's penguin Christie. You know, he's like a little penguin Barking at Donald Trump as he rolls on stage. Chris Christie is really that guy from Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory. They have that candy. Anyways, enough of that. I hate that loser, but listen, we're Americans, america first. We have a constitution to protect. We have a country to defend. We have a country to win back. We have open, porous borders where millions of people are pouring in. We don't even know who they are or where they're from. I'm sure they're at the Palestinian freedom loving marches that are ripping down American flags. But America were better than this. We're smarter than this. We're not idiots. Let's not be played. So I'm not going to cover the news, because the news doesn't really matter. And if you want to watch the news, you can plug into America one America news and every five minutes They'll say the same story and then the next show comes on. They say the same news stories and then the next show comes on. They say the same news stories. Until you got it that this is the scripted event that's supposed to be talked about in mainstream society. We're not going to do that. We're here to entertain. But more importantly than entertaining, we're here to inform and to invigorate the pop public. And I want to thank Christie mama bear Christie over here, who gave me this opportunity to host her show. I got to say Christie is one of the most salt of the earth human beings I have met in this movement. Her lovely family, her kids. She's got such a wonderful family, and congratulations, christie, to you on welcoming the birth of your new family member. The world is better off with more people descended from you in it, so we are going to continue on our story. Today, there's a million topics to cover. Spain has two million people in the streets in Madrid calling for an end of Socialism. Did any of you guys see that they don't want the socialist rebellion that's taking place in Espana? So they have Millions of people flooding to the streets. It's not on any TV's network. It's not on any TV Station. Nobody's reporting on it. Oh, but the Palestinians, the Palestinians Can't even go on. It's like non-stop. It's just non-stop bombardment. And I got to be honest me as a Jew. I go out in the streets and I am not attached to what's happening in the Middle East right now. Of course, I'm attached to it in some relative way, shape or form, but I live here, I live in California. I'm an American citizen. I'm focused on what's taking place in our streets. I see poverty, I see homelessness. Speaking of homelessness, you want to hear some crazy news. I don't know if any of you listeners remember me when I ran for Congress in 2014, but I ran against Karen Bass in district 37 in California. Now Karen Bass happens to be the mayor of Los Angeles. So over the weekend a massive homeless encampment broke out in Los Angeles underneath the 10 freeway and it like burnt the 10 freeway to a crisp, just one part of the 10 freeway. Now the crazy thing about this, which doesn't make any sense, is they have closed the 10 freeway down indefinitely, causing a massive traffic jam in LA. That's just gonna piss everybody off. The mayor doesn't want to open up. Karen Bass, this fake mayor who was put in here by both Rick Caruso and the Democratic Party and all these powers that really wanted To set up the Los Angeles, knows for an absolute disaster and, for all we know, they probably set the fire of themselves. There was a raging inferno, but I don't understand why a freeway needs to close down because concrete doesn't burn, but they close the freeway down. That's news. That's what the homelessness is doing in our cities. It's destroyed the city for everybody, and now in Los Angeles is beautiful city that once was a totem of Americanism in the world, is completely devoid of, completely devoid of just a way to get from point A to point B. So there's crazy news happening all around the world, whether you're global or you're local, you're being affected by the New World Order and they're coming for us. They're coming. You know, they always used to say they're coming for your guns, they're coming for your guns. No, they're coming for your children, they're coming for. They're coming for your guns. Last, because they're afraid of your guns. And what good is the guns? I mean honestly, what good is our guns if we just hold on to them until they take them? Second Amendment was created to protect the First Amendment, and that's why it's important that we all stand up, take to the streets, do what we gotta do and demand an end to this New World Order. Meshugana business. It's Meshugana business, look. So, without further ado, I'm gonna end this soliloquy. We're gonna get into the show Coming up after this short break, we got Hayden McDougal, the marketing director of Censored TV and the author of Angry Patriot Me More, joining us in studio. We're gonna have a great time talking to him. Without further ado. When we come back, we are gonna get straight to that interview. I am your guest host, adam King. This is Counter Narrative with Christy Lee, and we will be right back.

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Speaker 1: 12:16

And we are back. This is Counter Narrative with Christy Lee. I am your guest host, adam King, host of the Adam King Show, fanda Band-Aw video, and I am joined with the one and only Hayden McDougal, angry Patriot Me More right here, marketing. Director of Censored TV. Welcome to the counter narrative, hayden McDougal.

Speaker 4: 12:34

Thank you, Very excited to be here. That was a good intro you did. I saw the. I got an emergency alert about a fire and shutting down the 10 freeway on the way on the drive up here. I got that alert like that just happened today.

Speaker 1: 12:50

Yeah, they shut down the 10 freeway and it said the alert said indefinitely too. It's crazy, like indefinitely. I was like what Excuse me?

Speaker 4: 12:58

Never it's nuts, yeah, absolutely nuts Shut down for like a weekend? I've heard of yeah, but what does that even mean indefinitely? I don't know.

Speaker 1: 13:06

I think it's a part of something to, like you know, inflict pain upon the population, like, how do you do that to a concrete freeway? You shut it down indefinitely.

Speaker 4: 13:15

It doesn't. I want to see what happens. That is making them.

Speaker 1: 13:18

It didn't even look like that bad of a fire. It was only a fire around like Staples Center.

Speaker 4: 13:24

Is it still called?

Speaker 1: 13:24

Staples. No, it's called cryptocom center oh whatever Of course. Anyways, all you counter narrative people, I want to give you a little bit of background about Hayden McDougal, this guy right here. You never see him on camera. He's a meme war clip, all star. What are you at? Like 1.5 billion views right now.

Speaker 4: 13:43

Maybe I hit 1 billion a few months ago, so maybe I'm at 1.2 now, but I'm also I could have a lot more than I even realized, because I find all my everything I make is free to download and post yourself, so I'll find other people have reposted my videos.

Speaker 1: 14:00

Yeah, I saw somebody repost. One year you came out with a new video where that old man is walking by the liberal encampment.

Speaker 4: 14:09

Oh, I just yeah, yesterday I just posted Somebody jacked your video Like.

Speaker 1: 14:13

I think it was like mindset of truth or something was the oh yeah.

Speaker 4: 14:17

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 14:17

Really, they copied your whole video and just uploaded it to their thing and they're profiting off of your work, so yeah, congratulations on your charity game.

Speaker 4: 14:26

Thank you, thank you. Yeah, I don't get paid for views, so I don't care. I'm just, I'm on a mission. I want to get as much I'm. Basically, I want to radicalize people online in a good way, radicalize people for the cause, for the revolution, or whatever you want to call it. But yeah, every, every, every. I love it when people a lot of times my videos get more views when other people post them. So I love that stuff.

Speaker 1: 14:55

Now you came out of the Andrew Tate whole thing. You're a part, you're from the Tate gang.

Speaker 4: 15:02

Yes, yeah, tate gang for life. I can never speak poorly of Andrew Tate. He changed my life. I joined. Why would you want to, though I know Well, I see a lot of people on the right.

Speaker 1: 15:13

He does get hate from the right. Yeah, he gets hate from a lot of the Christians because he became a Muslim.

Speaker 4: 15:19

Yeah, there's that. And then Jordan Peterson went after him for what he said about women and calling women hose and stuff. But Jordan Peterson, jordan, Peterson.

Speaker 1: 15:30

Jordan Peterson went after Andrew Tate calling women he's pimping hose.

Speaker 4: 15:38

Yeah he, jordan Peterson went after him. I, he and I don't agree with every, absolutely everything Can you agree, but not exactly.

Speaker 1: 15:48

I don't agree with everything. Everything, we would be the same person. Yeah, we're not the same person it doesn't work like that.

Speaker 4: 15:55

It doesn't work like that. So ever, for some reason, everyone else gets a pass. But so many on the right decided to to go after Tate and I think I just think it's a little bit ungrateful to do that. I think Andrew Tate was kind of the nail in the coffin. We've been battling this culture war for I don't know years. I'm 28. I remember rainbow flags started going up in the classroom when I was in junior. High is when I started seeing rainbow flags in the classroom for the first time, rainbow flags in our classrooms.

Speaker 1: 16:31

Yeah, I just turned 40 last week.

Speaker 4: 16:33

We never had to go, never saw that we used to call each other.

Speaker 1: 16:38

You know, I don't know, I do this on my show, I'm on Christie Lee show, so I'm not gonna say about the FAG word. We used to call each other FAGs all the time. Oh yeah, oh you FAG, no you FAG.

Speaker 4: 16:48

Yeah, those were back when we were a proper country. Those were the good old days. We should bring bullying back. That's what I'm trying to do and I think I'm mostly. I'm on all the different platforms, but I'm mostly an Instagram guy and if any of you use Instagram the comment section on Instagram have you been seeing the comments on Instagram lately? On yours, on all of Instagram?

Speaker 1: 17:11

I see mine.

Speaker 2: 17:13

They're all like well, they're both you you dirty, jew, you killed Jesus.

Speaker 1: 17:18

You dirty. Yeah, I get those. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that. Love me.

Speaker 4: 17:22

Yeah, instagram got anti-Semitic this past year but beyond. I wasn't even talking about that. I mean just in general. People are so mean in the Instagram comments and I love it.

Speaker 1: 17:35

Do you think it's because people don't know how to fight physically, so that they, like, take their microaggressions out on the internet?

Speaker 4: 17:41

I think people are mad in general, in general right now, about everything going on, do you?

Speaker 1: 17:47

remember when, like your, like everybody drives in their car, like when somebody cuts you off or when you cut somebody off, it's like totally an accident, didn't mean anything. They'll get in your face and be, like you, dirty this.

Speaker 4: 18:00

And you would never say that to them.

Speaker 1: 18:01

They'll never get out of their car.

Speaker 4: 18:03

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:03

They'll say like things that they would never, and that's like the internet, you know what I'm saying it's like a bunch of people cutting each other off in their cars all the time.

Speaker 4: 18:11

Yeah, I've gotten DMs or I get comments where no one would ever no one has ever said anything like that to me in person. Not that I'm a scary dude or something, but just yeah, people are saying things online that they would never say to you in person, right. But the Instagram comment sections lately does make me hopeful. We really have brought bullying back to Instagram. You cannot get away with posting. If you're a fat girl, you basically can't post on Instagram anymore. All of the comments are going to be tearing you down.

Speaker 1: 18:48

People are pissed. They're sick of the world culture. Yeah, they're sick of the world culture. Nobody wants woke anymore. It's woke is over. Woke is over. Nobody wants woke. Nobody wants gay, nobody wants trans Nobody wants.

Speaker 4: 18:59

We've had enough.

Speaker 1: 19:00

We've had enough woke and gay and trans American flags and fireworks on the 4th of July.

Speaker 4: 19:36

I agree, amen, yeah, the most 95% of people, I think actually do agree that we just want, I don't know, america to go back to the 80s or the 90s or just a time when it wasn't. Yeah, I think wokeness has really been the worst thing that I've seen in my lifetime. But okay, going back to Andrew Tate, I want to defend Andrew Tate really quick. I think Andrew Tate was the nail in the coffin for wokeness. He came on and he blew up on TikTok. In the span of like a week he became the most the the biggest personality on TikTok, and all these young men growing up with rainbow flags in their classroom suddenly had an alternative and a new guy to look up to. He was like the hero of the male youth. He was, yeah, he saved Gen Z. Andrew Tate saved so many lives. So say what you want about him, but have you done as much for the movement and as much for young men in the West as Andrew Tate has?

Speaker 1: 20:45

No, you haven't, I'm actually a big fan of his brother, tristan. Yeah, I love them both. Tristan used to follow me before I was de-platformed.

Speaker 4: 20:53

Tristan followed you on Instagram On.

Speaker 1: 20:55

Instagram. Yeah, oh, that's great, it was awesome, oh wow.

Speaker 6: 20:59

I remember the day he followed me.

Speaker 4: 21:01

Yeah, I took screenshots of it. I'd remember that day too. Yeah, oh, that's great.

Speaker 1: 21:07

Congrats, tristan Tate. Follows you on Instagram.

Speaker 4: 21:10

He's? Oh, that's not him.

Speaker 1: 21:12

No, there is another account that-.

Speaker 4: 21:15

I don't know.

Speaker 1: 21:16

Tristan Tate isn't him, because he spoke to me. A DM will get you on Christie Lee.

Speaker 4: 21:40

Yeah, that would be huge for him. He'd be stoked to get on Christie Lee. That would be.

Speaker 1: 21:45

Isn't Christie Lee the best?

Speaker 4: 21:46

man yeah, I need to watch your show. I haven't actually. I've watched. Yeah, I haven't watched it.

Speaker 1: 21:51

I'll tell you, my favorite Christie Lee of all time was when she was on Alex Jones and there was this segment where, like they were like trying to like soften up Alex's image or something like that, and so Christie gave an interview with Alex. That was legendary, legendary and it was all personal. It was like the first time you really see Alex Jones get personal and it was all Christie. Without that interview there's such a missing chunk of Alex that the viewer audience never got. Yeah, she's like the Alex Jones whisperer.

Speaker 4: 22:20

Oh, oh, I like that. Yeah, the Alex Jones whisperer. We need one of those. I think people understand Alex nowadays though.

Speaker 1: 22:28

They're coming to wake up to the fact that Alex Jones was right.

Speaker 4: 22:31

Yeah, he was right and he wasn't. Just even people who did, who never disliked him, would have previously thought he was. Oh, he's crazy. He's a performance artist, right. But now and that used to be me, but as I've watched his full show and as things have been unraveling over the years, I've realized oh no, he's right about everything he said and all of his anger was justified. I throw tantrums like that too. Now that's a weird.

Speaker 1: 22:59

They're fun to do.

Speaker 4: 22:59

They're fun to do and they're justified with what's going on.

Speaker 1: 23:04

Now you're at SensorTV with Gavin McInnis. What's it like working with Gavin?

Speaker 4: 23:09

I've only talked to Gavin, I think, twice, maybe three times. It's pretty hands off. Everyone's kind of just does their own show over there and what are the shows you like working on most on Sensor. Gavin's show is great, elijah's show. Elijah. Schaefer. I've made some clips from his show that have gotten some good views.

Speaker 1: 23:31

What about Drew Hernandez? I think he's so funny.

Speaker 4: 23:35

Yeah, I like Drew, he's such a superstar. Yeah, he's the most racist show on Sensor TV I would say it's not even really that racist. I don't. When I say racist, I don't say that in a bad way.

Speaker 1: 23:47

You say it in like a liberal way, like the way liberals view us.

Speaker 4: 23:51

Yeah, yeah, I use their language and I make it my own. But yeah, no, drew's great I have. I usually watch, I usually make clips from Gavin's show, elijah Schaefer's show and atheism is unstoppable. It's a little bit weird that he's an atheist but he is.

Speaker 1: 24:11

But that really shows that SensorTV is truly a free speech platform, because they're super Christian over there, yeah, and so that?

Speaker 4: 24:20

and we have an atheist on the network.

Speaker 1: 24:21

Their number three show right, isn't that number three or number two?

Speaker 4: 24:24

I think it's number two. It might be number two, it's Gavin's show's number one, and then AIU and then Elijah, or it might be Elijah.

Speaker 1: 24:34

And so that's cool because it's really, like you know, they could easily turn Sensor into like a Christian network. I mean, gavin is super into Christianity and all that stuff and Jesus and to have a bonafide atheist as your number two show really kind of illuminates. You know the free speech nature of the network.

Speaker 4: 24:52

Yeah, it shows you that we're not. Yeah, we're not just trying to be the opposite of the guys that canceled us. We're really. We really do mean it when we say we believe in free speech.

Speaker 1: 25:06

Yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone's ever been censored on censoredtv as far as I'm aware that that would be like a claim to fame actually.

Speaker 4: 25:14

Yeah, that would be if you come on to censoredtv and we censor you.

Speaker 1: 25:19

You've yeah, I don't know you made it Don't get censored on censored TV, edgius or else you might be a real putz. Yeah, I love using Yiddish words. Do you like Yiddish words? Do you know any Yiddish words?

Speaker 4: 25:31

I know Goiom and I know that's not even Yiddish, that's Hebrew. Oh, hebrew. Oh, I don't, I guess I don't know Yiddish. I know a few Jewish words.

Speaker 1: 25:39

You know, everybody on earth is actually a Goiom, not just non-Jews, I didn't know this yeah according to the Torah, we're all going.

Speaker 4: 25:47

Oh, okay, yeah, we'll have to talk about that, so, hayden and I are actually filming another set.

Speaker 1: 25:52

That's why I was able to get him in studio. We're doing a whole series on. It's called the Jew Pill episode, where we're going through all sorts of things in the Talmud and we're going to break them down, all the most controversial Talmud things that like the real Jew haters on the alt-right love to bring up and mention. So we're just going to confront it head on, because that's what we do at the Adam King show. We run into fire. Oh, you got drama. Hold on, let me get my sneakers. I'll go run out and get in on it.

Speaker 4: 26:19

The uh, I was dubbed Hitler youth on Instagram.

Speaker 1: 26:22

I don't know why that they would? It's so offensive to me that they would call you Hitler youth.

Speaker 4: 26:26

Thanks, I wear it as a badge of honor.

Speaker 1: 26:28

I'll tell you why because there's there's real Hitler youth still around today. You know what they're called the Liebensborn you ever heard of this?

Speaker 4: 26:36

I've heard, I've heard. Yeah, I've heard of it, yeah they're real Hitler.

Speaker 1: 26:39

youth Liebens I actually where are?

Speaker 4: 26:41

where are they? Is that in America? Where are they?

Speaker 1: 26:43

They're all over the world. I actually have a friend of mine who is a Liebensborn, and she was put up for adoption and adopted by a Jewish family and raised in a Jewish home.

Speaker 4: 26:55

Yeah, is she still a Liebensborn, a Nazi? No, jewish. Now.

Speaker 1: 27:00

Liebensborn, she's not Nazi. Yeah she was a part of the eugenics breeding program of Adolf Hitler. That's what Hitler youth was was a was a breeding. Oh yeah oh, okay and so, and then she was raised Jewish in like this Jewish household and she's. I mean talk about some inter-conflicting battles going on, right.

Speaker 4: 27:19

Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm not in a breeding program or anything, or starting a breeding program, I just want to be in a breeding.

Speaker 1: 27:27

I want ideally for unvaccinated people.

Speaker 4: 27:29

Unvaccinated girls hit me up.

Speaker 1: 27:31

DM angry page.

Speaker 4: 27:36

But uh, yeah, no, dude, if you're unvaccinated and you're at least seven out of ten, send me a DM on Instagram. We'll see if we can work something out. But uh, you know who? I've mentioned this to you before. But Ethan Klein? No, famous, big time liberal, famous podcaster. You've probably seen memes of him.

Speaker 1: 27:55

He's Jewish and he had oh, that's the guy who called you Hitler youth.

Speaker 4: 27:59

That's the guy who called me Hitler youth and um.

Speaker 1: 28:02

Does he see the clips that?

Speaker 4: 28:04

you make of me? Apparently not. He just saw the clip I made of. I made an Oliver tree edit that went super viral, like 25 million views. Oliver tree reposted it um and uh he, ethan was upset because he said this clip made me look bad.

Speaker 1: 28:22

Oh, ethan Klein, is that talk show host?

Speaker 4: 28:25

right.

Speaker 1: 28:25

Yes, and he like totally fell off yeah people used to.

Speaker 4: 28:28

I used to like him, isn't he? A super liberal though Super liberal, super liberal, yeah, he went after he tried to beef with Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate destroyed him and he's just, he mostly takes L's.

Speaker 1: 28:42

You made that clip of that guy calling him out on his own show.

Speaker 4: 28:46

Yes, that was, that's the one I'm talking about. That's a good clip. Yeah, that was hilarious.

Speaker 1: 28:50

So we only got a few minutes left with you on the set. I want to go over who is the biggest clip. Who have you clipped most?

Speaker 4: 28:57

Jesse Lee Peterson.

Speaker 1: 28:58

I know you say that you are responsible for making Jesse Lee Peterson famous, and I think you might be right. What is it like? 300 million views you got him Something like that.

Speaker 4: 29:09

Probably it was 200 million a few months ago. But uh, jesse Lee Peterson has been famous for a while. He's been around for a while, but I got him trending big time on TikTok and Instagram and now I see him all over the place more people. I started clipping him and then I've seen these other accounts go clip him as well. He puts out so much viral, worthy content. If you go watch a Jesse Lee Peterson interview and you clip it and add captions to the video and post it somewhere, it could go viral.

Speaker 1: 29:40

Anyways, well, I'm going to conclude this interview. I want to thank our guest in the first segment, hayden McDougal, the angry patriot on Instagram, marketing director of censored TV. My good friend over here, and we are going to come back after a short break with Muddur Zahron, palestinian opposition leader to the king of Jordan. Stay tuned. You are watching counter narrative. I'm your guest as Adam King, filling in for Christy Lee.

Speaker 5: 30:09

I don't know if this country can be saved. The information war on any battlefield, and any physical battlefield that I have been on, has always been the most important component of war itself. So they were actually people in our government that were, that were in the executive branch, undermining the president of the United States without his knowledge. So that's basically an act of treason.

Speaker 1: 30:49

We have a lot of fun on that and King show our next guest coming in is a real it's a real honor to have him. We're going to cover some deep concepts pertaining to the Middle East. This is going to be more of a serious part of the segment of the show. I'd like to welcome in our guest, muddur Zahron, palestinian opposition leader to the king of Jordan, on this segment, with us now for an exclusive interview, and we are. I'd like to talk to Muddur and ask you several things about several things about the conflict taking place in the Gaza Strip as it relates to Palestinians in Jordan. I like to say on the Adam King show that the Palestinians have three states Gaza, the West Bank and Jordan. You yourself, for the listener audience, are the foremost leading Palestinian activist promoting peace between Jews and Palestinians. There's nobody doing it more publicly and more vehemently than you are. What is the situation like in Jordan as it relates to Hamas and as it relates to the situation between Israel and versus Hamas in the Gaza Strip?

Speaker 6: 32:05

Thanks for having me, as innocent people are getting killed on both sides, we cannot afford to be diplomatic today, so we're going to walk straight into the fire. The Hamas is, quote unquote, the Palestine chapter of the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood. So Hamas is merely an offshoot, a chapter of Jordan's Muslim Brotherhood. Jordan's Muslim Brotherhood is loyal to the king of Jordan, and I quote the king himself in an interview with the Atlantic magazine in April 2013. He said, quote unquote the Muslim Brotherhood is a part of the system. I can give you many, many more quotes, including a quote by the queen of Jordan, palestinian Jordanian Queen Rania, who was attacking Jews on CNN just a few days ago, and make an all kind of anti-Semitic remarks. The Queen Rania herself, in a November 2016 interview with Christiana MM Paul on CNN, she praised the Muslim Brotherhood as quote unquote a legitimate part of the Jordanian society. That said, the marriage between the Hashemite kingdom and the Muslim Brotherhood is no secret and the Muslim Brotherhood abides completely by the orders of Jordan's Muslim, jordan's king. And this is by, according to the Muslim Brotherhood themselves, and I can give you endless quotes about this. And Hamas would never pull the stunt they pulled on October 7th without a full authorization of the Muslim Brotherhood of Jordan. So it doesn't take a lot of effort to connect the dots. In addition, the way? Why would this happen? You know everything is connected. The King of Jordan is battling a very angry Palestinian majority. All Jordanians of all creeds and ethnicities are angry with the king. Poverty, corruption and a completely irresponsible and incompetent king, and the way he could have only protected himself is by launching a war somewhere else. Only that Hamas chewed more than the king and his friends could swallow. I will make this clear. My intelligence connections and I can be openly held responsible for this. I can authoritatively confirm the ones who helped plot the massacres on October 7th, where the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, the Egyptian military intelligence and the president CC of Egypt, and also an Arab Gulf state. I won't name it now, but it's not Qatar. That said, let's fast forward into what's happening today. Most people do not exactly have a clue about what's happening on the ground today. While I cannot confirm when will this segment be on air, but as we speak, the Israeli defense forces are pushing into the western side of Gaza. They've begun that since dawn. They're making a lot of progress. Hamas is putting an incredible resistance, resistance that's only comparable to the Stalingrad against the Nazis. Of course, I would never compare the IDF to the Nazis by any chance, but all I'm saying is they want to die doing this. They would rather die than surrender. That said, the only difference right here is that Israel is moving forward to get rid of Hamas for the first time. We need to set the record straight Hamas is not only a terror group, not only an ideology. Hamas has been promoted, protected, supported and pampered by a lot of western governments who welcome Hamas members as refugees, as immigrants, students, to name it. The protective wall behind Hamas is bigger than you ever think, and this is why Hamas has been able to sustain itself for a very long time. Israel has a very strong army. The only reason Israel didn't kill or finish off Hamas all that time is because, like the Obama administration, the Bush, the Jr administration, you name it they always intervene to make sure that Hamas is not finished off. And this time everything is totally different. The gloves are off. We will witness the end of Hamas. Now let me just add one thing, god's Adam. Let me just add something for the record. Gaza is not Hamas. Hamas is not Gaza. 47.3% of Gazans were born after Hamas took over. They're under 18 years old. They were born after Hamas took over the Gaza Strip by force. Most Gazans hate Hamas, adam. Most Gazans hate Hamas. Let me set the record straight the Palestinians in different places of the world. If you're talking about the Palestinians in the West Bank, I am afraid I have to tell you that Palestinians in the West Bank could come close to worship in Hamas. In the West Bank, you know the grass is always green on the other side of the fence. They think Hamas is their savior. Hamas is going to liberate Palestine from the Jews. Hamas is good. Hamas is Islam. That's what they think. The people in Gaza. They realize Hamas is an evil dictatorship, isis-like regime, and they hate Hamas beyond what they could even imagine In the West Bank they hate Hamas. No, in the West Bank they idolize Hamas. They love Hamas. The people of the West Bank are more radical, in fact very radical, compared to the people of Gaza. These are my people, so you know speaking with authority. I've been with them. I know what they say. Most Palestinians in general do not want to war with Israel, but if you're talking about people who were celebrating and cherishing the murder of children, the murder of Israeli women, the murder of Israeli fathers in front of their families on 7th of October, the whole you know mini-holocaust that took place. This was celebrated by mostly, sadly, sadly Palestinians in the West Bank and some, you know, odd Israeli Arabs. Not a lot of them, thanks God, but some of them, the people of Gaza, and I was watching their you know social media and making phone calls to some of them. They were not thrilled at all, they knew what was coming and they know that they hate Hamas. It's not doing them any good. The Palestinians in Jordan, who are above 90% of the population, they couldn't care less and that's why you don't see the two million man protests in Jordan. You know the Muslim Brotherhood could pull a protest together 100, 120,000 people. That's the best they can do. We have 10 million Palestinians in Jordan and they're very few turnout, so you need to know where things can. I hate to say this, adam. Some people are legitimized and they say you know, gaza chose Hamas, so they deserve to die. Well, I hate to tell you this. Gaza didn't choose Hamas. They did a mistake some 20-something years ago, thinking that Hamas is going to liberate. Palestine. I remember the election yeah that was. That's why Hamas was there.

Speaker 1: 40:33

I remember the state election that they had, they were delivering boxes of food to other people in Gaza and they said if you want food, you vote for Hamas, and if you don't vote for Hamas, you get killed. And that's how I was to power.

Speaker 6: 40:49

To be honest with you. I have to be fair and square about things. With the first elections, which took place shortly after Erofrac's death, hamas did have a landslide victory. Even my Christian Palestinian friends of Ramallah voted for Hamas because they didn't know what was coming after that. They didn't exactly, you know. All they thought is it's against the corruption of the Palestinian authority, and they thought that this is, you know, this is it, this is the military group that's gonna liberate Palestine and get rid of the Jews. Well, it turned out, just like the Germans made a mistake when they elected Hitler, it turned out that we made the mistake when we elected Hamas. People are waking up to that if you and this is what hurts me the most the people who are getting, you know, crushed in the middle. Let's be honest, you know, I do not think the Israeli army or Jews in general would love to kill a civilian for the hell of it. I don't think that they enjoy what they're doing. I don't think that they enjoy that any any normal person in Israel, except for the crazies. There's crazies everywhere. Nobody's enjoying the death of children in Gaza. On the other hand, what hurts me the most is those who are getting killed in Gaza. The people of Gaza are the ones who hate Hamas the most. They to be honest, they are Hamas's victims. If you're telling me about, if we talk in West Bank, west Bank, people love Hamas. Enjoy that. People couldn't care less. So the bottom line is the the Palestinians have evolved right now and let's set the record straight after this war, things are gonna change drastically. We're talking about the new phase, with no Islamist groups who have been. You know the people of the neighborhood which have been unleashed by a lot of you know a lot of Western intelligence agencies and Western governments, and Now it's time for them to go. I mean let's, let's set the record straight again. You know I mean Hamas. When was Hamas created? Hamas was created by under the, the patronage of George Bush, syria, when he was vice president of the United States. This was the brainchild of George Bush senior, as the former CIA director and then the vice president. And the one who has tasked with creating Hamas was King Jose through his intelligence department, and to this day, jordan's intelligence and Jordan's government still controls Hamas to the Muslim.

Speaker 1: 43:28

What you're saying is not being discussed anywhere. In fact, this is the first time I'm hearing it too. I hear it from you before, but never as it relates to October 7th. You are making a very bold claim that nobody has said so far is that the October 7th massacre was largely orchestrated by the King of Jordan and the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood and the three pillars, the All CC's generals in Egypt, the Jordanians and Gulf state, all in cooperation. Where does Iran fit into play with this?

Speaker 6: 44:04

Iran is in bed with one of the Gulf states involved. The purpose those people. You know you need to admire enemy in order to fight the enemy. Iran is very strategic. You know, the same way Russians play chess for fun, iranians produce Persian rugs for for a living. Basically, they are very patient and very calculating. The Iranian Islamic Republic Knew that if they launch, this is gonna delay any serious attacks that Israel was trying to pull in Iran and it worked. Right now, nobody has the time to attack Iran or even talk about Iran. At the same time, the people, the, the Arab Gulf state, which was involved in this, is heavily entrenched in its relationship and ties to Iran and again, this is not Qatar.

Speaker 1: 44:58

My guess would be yeah, I came out and declared war against Israel and it's a Gulf state. I would. My guess would be the al-Houthi is in Yemen.

Speaker 6: 45:08

No, no, no. That's not a Gulf state. That's not on the Persian Gulf. We call it the Arab Gulf. It's a different, at least expected Gulf state and it's definitely not Saudi Arabia. They have a very smart young man running the country, muhammad and Salman, incredibly intelligent and not, definitely not Qatar, and when this comes out is gonna be a shocker for everyone. I think it will eventually come out and but if you don't?

Speaker 1: 45:32

why don't you break? Why don't you break that? Why don't you break the story right now? Tell us, now, tell the audience.

Speaker 6: 45:39

Disrupt a lot of intelligence work that's being in the pipes. They know they've been caught. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is a conspiracy fact because within the decision-making an intelligence community, they know exactly who's been behind this.

Speaker 1: 45:56

And let's let me ask you a question. Nobody, nobody is talking about Jordan's role in October 7th, or this war in Gaza or Hamas. Do you really think that, even if the intelligence community breaks this information, that the media, that the media oligarchies are gonna even pick it up, definitely?

Speaker 6: 46:15

not Because, let's, let's do the math. If Jordan is totally innocent, you know, in killing both guys and children and Israeli, israeli civilians, could you explain to me why, 24 hours prior to the massacres on October 7th, the so-called queen of Jordan, a Palestinian, jordanian her name is Rania she was in a youth quote-unquote youth parade youth Festival in Ireland and she made the speech totally against Israel, saying that Israeli scale, quote-unquote Palestinian civilians. Then you, she made herself clear. She came out of the closet. On CNN, christiane Amanpour basically trashed Israel completely. Let's, let's put it straight here we weep for every Palestinian child killed in Gaza. We have issues. You know there has been what we believe are tactical mistakes by the IDF. You know where. You know some places bomb which they should have not bomb. So we urge him to be more, more accurate and avoid, do much more effort to avoid civilian casualties at the same time, to avoid civilian casualties at the same time. To go out on CNN Accusing Jews of being evil, accusing Jews of killing Palestinian children. Then to repeat the same trick on CNN again less than a week after, not Retracting and, on top of it, claiming that anyone you know who she's. She basically, she justified Anti-semitism. She said, anyone who attacks Israel is not because of anti-semitism, which you and I and everyone knows most of. Those attacking Israel just because they hate Jews not because they care for my people by any chance.

Speaker 1: 48:11

So that. What they don't even know what a Palestinian is. They just see Jews in the they couldn't care less.

Speaker 6: 48:21

It's all about they need to Don't care about six hundred thousand Arabs butchered in Syria.

Speaker 1: 48:28

They don't care about over a million Armenians killed. They don't care about any a hundred thousand Armenians killed, whatever that gross number was they? They just care about Jews.

Speaker 6: 48:38

Jews are involved and Exactly, and you know as, as as a civil rights movement leader myself in Jordan, fighting for the civil rights of Jordanians in general or Palestinians also in Jordan, never find any serious Interest from those so-called human rights organization. Not even one time. So it's all about the Jews. You know that. And this woman cream, rania, was legitimizing, legitimizing the hatred of Jews on CNN. Why would she do that, ask yourself. Why would she do that? Ask yourself. Tie the dots. The Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim Brotherhood, is a very tightly controlled organization, like ISIS. You can't disobey the orders. Why would Hamas Pull that massacre? Is it possible that they pulled it without the Muslim Brotherhood in a month knowing about it? Is it possible the Muslim Brotherhood would even pull that without the King knowing about it? If at to, at best, at best, he knew about it and he let it happen. At worst, he's fully unaccomplished. The intel intelligence, information available to everyone who matters I that I know, confirms it. And this is not about Jordan's game. This is about the much bigger, much bigger problem at them. The problem is, there has been the. The policy of the decision-makers in the West is to keep this fight on for as long as possible. And that's why they want to inspire Exactly they wanted to do, want this for as long as possible.

Speaker 1: 50:18

They don't want to give you a distraction from all the crimes of the Biden family, all the crimes of the Democrats and all the Horrible atrocities happening on earth. It drowns out every other single story in the media mooder, one of the reasons why I'm Go ahead.

Speaker 6: 50:38

It's also gives them leverage. A country like Germany, who has no, no leverage in the Middle East whatsoever, the only leverage it gets is when it comments on the Israeli era of conflict. Have you not noticed that they support in both sides Both sides? You know, they were put to support in both sides the Palestinian Authority, the Hamas, you, the money Hamas gets from Qatar, the money whose Qatar? Qatar is one of the quote, unquote, closet American allies, and so on. Until Trump took over, things changed and also there's there's a part of guilt that that you know there's. Really decision-makers are to blame, for there was a very, very stupid Doctrine of quote-unquote keeping the situation as is. Keep print the status quo. I once met a very, very famous Israeli politician and he told me mudar, this was in Jerusalem. You know, over, over over. You know Shabbat dinner. He tells me mudar, you know we. It's not a nice situation what we have in Israel, but it's a situation we control. My, you know it's one of the dumbest remarks I've ever heard, which keeps being repeated, even by so-called Think tanks in the United States. All of those think tanks are financed by certain Groups and it's the same globalist groups that tells them what to say, which is that you know, keep the status quo as is. Keep the status quo in Israel and Palestine means to keep the conflict. This is the status quo you know. The status quo is, we need to know. The plight of the Palestinian is nothing you, you as a human, would accept. More Jews, if they learn exactly what's happening to the Palestinians, would not accept it. For example, the Palestinians are lost between three states. The Palestinians don't have a recognized passport. The Palestinians need to beg to cross the borders to go to Jordan because of the Jordanian authority. They pay, you know, when they go to Mecca, they pay like double the price just to pass through Jordan. So they have no state. This is very similar to the Pakistani, to the Muslim versus Hindu Immigration when Pakistan and India were separated. Imagine if India didn't take the Hindu immigrants, hindu refugees, and told them are this is not your country, go back to Pakistan. So Jordan, the status quo in Jordan is a big problem. Status quo in Gaza is a big problem and they decided to keep. This is like deciding to keep a cancer. Imagine if you have, like God forbid, a cancer and cancer tumor which is removable or operable. You're gonna. You know what I'd rather keep it, I'll manage it. This is very stupid. This is, you know, was a very sovereign, tragic event, but very sovereign for the Israelis of the 7th of October. It was very sovereign for the Palestinians. For the first time, you know people who speak against Hamas. I usually afraid that they're gonna get killed, they're gonna get targeted, and I'm talking about even Palestinians who live in the West. If they talk about Hamas, they would get targeted by people. And for the first time, I'm seeing Palestinians openly speaking against Hamas, including people in the West, because what Hamas did was, you know, absolute suicide and the leaders of Hamas are living the life included in the United Kingdom, qatar.

Speaker 1: 54:07

Jordan. So, motor, we're coming up on the end of this segment. We got about two minutes left. I just want to tell our listener audience here on the counter narrative One of the reasons I'm such a fan of your work is really because you're focused on truly building a home for the Palestinian people in Jordan and you see so much of you know so much foreign aid go to Gaza and the West Bank, which goes to buying military equipment and weapons and funding terrorism. You have a vision for Palestine, a free Palestine, alongside of the Jewish state, and I think that your work can bring world peace. You know the Arabs chased out the Hussein family from Saudi Arabia and they came straight to Jordan to oppress the Jordanians. In the next minute and a half segment, can you close up on some of your vision for the future, a positive note of what the Palestinians have to look forward to in Jordan once the king is replaced, god willing, by yourself? Did we lose him? No, I'm back. Hello, did you get the question?

Speaker 6: 55:19

Yes. Well, the new Jordan is already materializing. By the end of this war, I think Israel will and I want you to remember every word I think Israel will engage in a much bigger war In Lebanon to eradicate Hezbollah. After that it's gonna come full circle, because the king of Jordan, if he loses his Hamas and loses his Hezbollah allies, he's gonna become, you know, the fig leaf is gonna fall and I think he's gonna. He's not gonna survive the process and for the first time, we will be able, as Palestinians From all creeds, all roots, all heritage, all ethnicities, we will be able to Call the shots in our own country. The Jordan we imagine is a Jordan. Where it's a secular state with an Islamist identity. It's a Muslim state. The same way, sweden is a Muslim, is a Christian state, no more than that is the identity of the country. Secular country with Zero tolerance for terrorism and hatred, where hatred is a crime, hate speeches criminalized, where our students will be taught from kindergarten how to love and tolerate. This could happen by the force and the goodwill of one Strong leader, a starter, as they say in Yiddish. Look at Saddam Hussein. I don't like the guy, but Saddam under him there was no terrorism in Iraq because he just had one final word no terror, no hatred in Iraq. There was no terrorism in Iraq, in the Saddam Hussein. The minute he dies, it opened up, like you know, pandora's box and gateway to hell.

Speaker 1: 57:05

Watch me do this, if I, if I can't wait and I want to be your first Jewish guest in Amman was able to let his people go and deliver them from evil paganism into freedom and change that.

Speaker 6: 57:26

Be my witness. I'm gonna do the same. I know I will Pray me, pray for me and wish me luck.

Speaker 1: 57:34

I pray for you always and, like I said before, I can't wait to be your first Jewish guest in Amman in this new age.

Speaker 6: 57:41

In Sha Allah, you will also come to the first synagogue in Amman. In Sha Allah. My condolences to all, to all of my Israeli, jewish friends who lost family members, and my condolences to the innocent people of. Gaza, who lost children. This is all temporary. It's gonna become bad memories, just like World War two, and we're gonna get rid of Hamas, in Sha Allah.

Speaker 1: 58:06

Amen. I want to thank you, mudeir, for all your work, all your support and for coming on the counter narrative today. You're a great guest and I will have you back on the Adam King show very soon. Thanks, so you here did first everybody. We got some breaking news here on the counter narrative. I have been your guest host, adam King, and we've had a great Time today. Christy, you can count on me anytime you need a guest fill in. I had a lot of fun. Um the counter narrative, what a great show you run here. My guests are your guests. We had Hayden McDougal in the first half of the hour and, uh, mudeir Zaron in the second. You know, I'm so grateful that Mudeir was able to come on and give us a new vision of the future. I learned things that I didn't know about the conflict, that Jordan is quite complicit in Hamas, and I truly, truly pray and I ask the audience of counter narrative to pray for Mudeir Zaron and the Palestinian people of Jordan that they can overcome their oppressors and the Palestinian majority, which makes up 90 percent of the population of Jordan. May they have freedom in their land speedily in our days. Amen. I want to thank you all for tuning into the counter narrative. Please check me out the adam king show at instagram. It has barely any followers right now because I just got deep platformed and I'm building up again, so go give me a follow. Support the work that I'm doing. Follow me on bandvideo at the adam king show the adam king showcom. Or you can email the adam king show dot at gmailcom. Tell me what you think. If you have any great guest suggestions or anything you want to Support the show, please send it my way. I want to thank christie lee For having a baby, which gave me a great opportunity to host this wonderful show, and her amazing production crew. My name is adam king. I'm tuning out of the counter narrative. This has been a great time. Stay tuned. Christie will be back very soon with Fresh episodes. We have more guest hosts coming soon and we will be back with breaking news, cutting edge guests and a lot of fun. Stay tuned everybody. I am adam king. Peace out.