Canadian Trucker Tyranny And The Human Vampire | MSOM Ep. 872

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness. I am Jason Burma. Today we're going to be talking about the trucker's convoy and the ongoing struggles there with civil rights attorney Lawrence Greenspawn, and then we're going to chop it up with Chris Paul, AMP News contributor. Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.

Speaker 2: 0:41

How has the arrest affected your life?

Speaker 3: 0:55

I've lost my job, I've lost my freedom of speech, I've lost my freedom to communicate with my friends, which was quite traumatizing because we just experienced something huge and we didn't get any time to even sit down as a group and just talk about it and talk about our experience. We didn't have that opportunity. That was taken away from me. I have to be very careful about every move that I make. As you know, I was arrested on an alleged breach charge for attending a dinner in Toronto. I had the police show up at the place that I'm staying last weekend because somebody saw me outside smoking a cigarette. I have a daughter that I don't want her to be seen with me because I'm worried. I'm so sorry, take your time. I have yet to see the particulars of the mischief that I am alleged to have committed. I just it's definitely affected my life. It's something that I've never been arrested before the legal process I find extremely frustrating. My trial is not till next year. I have to live under these conditions for a year, but I will. I'll make it work.

Speaker 1: 3:26

The story of the trucker convoy and the authoritarian government behind the prosecutions of Tamara Litch and you can read about that and hold the line are far from over and it is just unbelievable what happened during the COVID-1984 nightmare. It is unbelievable that when people stood up peacefully they were portrayed as basically terrorists and then they were arrested, they were ashamed, they were debanked to discuss this and more and, of course, tamara's longstanding trial. Again, you think you get a speedy trial here in this country or in Canada. Well, you just don't, not when you're a political enemy. Lawrence Greenspaw is with us to talk about this case and it's so important on so many levels. I mean, we're supposed to be the free world. Free speech is really a staple of not only the United States but of Canada, and that was trampled on throughout the COVID-1984 nightmare, but then, especially when you had these people peacefully protesting and then arrested after so many measures were taken against them. So, lawrence, again thank you for joining us. How did you begin to get involved in this case?

Speaker 5: 4:41

I was initially contacted by the lawyer who was then acting for both Chris Barber and Aunt Tamara Leach and she couldn't continue on behalf of both of them and she referred to Tamara over to me and it was clear right from the get-go that these were a number of charges that on the scale of seriousness they're really not on that scale, they're at the low end of the scale. But what was also apparent was that the prosecution was very intent on taking every possible step to basically to go after Tamara and Chris as organizers some of the organizers of the convoy.

Speaker 1: 5:32

So when you look at these trumped-up charges and how they're not serious yet they're treated as the most serious, this is really about waging lawfare on people, is it not?

Speaker 5: 5:45

It's the first time I've heard that expression, but I think it fits. We've now finished 27 days of trial. We have there's no real end in sight. We have more days scheduled for this year. The likelihood is that the case will extend into the new year and I think we're heading towards the Guinness Book of Records for the longest administrative trial in jurisprudence history.

Speaker 1: 6:24

So clearly. You know, not only are they trying to deplete this person's funds, but then also take on their credibility. I mean, look at that woman. She has every reason to be upset because she hasn't done anything wrong. She's actually done the right thing, and because of that she's been fervently prosecuted with no end in sight. How long can they stretch this out?

Speaker 5: 6:49

Well, we have in Canada a case called the Jordan case, which is from the Supreme Court of Canada. That is there as a measure of our right to a trial within a reasonable time, which is constitutionally protected. It is a poor cousin of the right to a speedy trial that is in the United States. This case would have been processed through the American courts long ago. Tamara is a really a wonderful person. She's very positive. Her message before, during and after has always been we want a peaceful demonstration, we don't want violence. If you see anybody who is acting improperly or acting out, contact the police or contact us and we will contact the police. So her intentions were clear from the get go. It's most unfortunate that she's had to face criminal charges of this kind despite what I believe are very, very good intentions throughout the various demonstrations that were taking place.

Speaker 1: 8:06

What are the specific criminal charges that she's been assessed with?

Speaker 5: 8:12

There's a mischief charge, there is a charge of intimidation of parliamentary employees, there's an obstruct police charge and then there are three charges where it's alleged she's counseled each of counseled others to commit those same three crimes.

Speaker 1: 8:37

I mean that sounds absolutely, first of all, ridiculous. When were there threats towards political individuals? Obviously they're stretching the law for that. Like you said, mischief cases, I mean what do they usually take a couple of months at best, yet this is stretched out over a couple of years, and now you're saying maybe several years. This can't be cheap, and this is what I mean by lawfare. How is she financially sustaining this defense? Because that's the other aspect of it that people have to understand. They may be small charges, but there are basically unlimited resources of the government and state to go after your client and go after individuals that are basically challenging them politically. So they're trying to basically deplete this woman of all of her funds, correct?

Speaker 5: 9:29

Absolutely. You speak of unlimited funds, and that's certainly the case. On the other side, it's a prosecution that has lasted three times longer than already. That was anticipated. But for the support of the public that has helped to fund Tamara's, there's no way that she could, on her own, afford to defend herself on these charges.

Speaker 1: 10:31

So where are we now? What's the next step in these trials, in this case, and I guess, what's the next step there, and where do you expect it to go in the coming months, before the new year?

Speaker 5: 10:46

Well, the next step will be for the Crown to finally finish, or the Crown or the prosecution to finish its case, and then, at that point, there will be some applications to the court and then, as I say, into the new year, it would be over to the defense to begin calling evidence.

Speaker 1: 11:09

So what's the maximum sentence, if she's found guilty, on all of these charges, that Tamara could receive?

Speaker 5: 11:17

I don't know, and I don't know, and I don't even look to it and, quite frankly, when, when Reports come out, well, you know, so-and-so is facing a possible such-and-such number of years, it's, in this case, this is the, it's an unusual set of circumstances leading to these charges, but I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even, wouldn't even consider what you know, airing out what the maximum is, because, as you, as you pointed out, she's already spent 50 days in jail on a mischief charge and it's, it's way beyond the pale already.

Speaker 1: 12:00

Well, it is beyond the pale. So I listen, I like your optimism. I'm just saying these people are extremely dark and obviously, like I said you, you're seeing no end in sight in the trial. Who knows how far they'll take it. We've got to take a break. When we come back, I want to talk about Tamara. I want to talk about where she is now in her spirits, where she thinks this is going. It's making sense of the madness back after this.

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Speaker 7: 13:28

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Speaker 1: 13:37

We are back with civil rights attorney Lawrence Greenspawn and Lawrence. I'd like to talk about Tamara a little bit now. She writes about her experiences and hold the line, but for those of us who don't really know this person, who is she?

Speaker 5: 13:51

Tamara's a mother, grandmother. She has Metis or Indigenous heritage. She was working in the trucking industry before the before the demonstrations and the freedom convoys and she doesn't own a truck or even drive one, but she's been involved in in the trucking industry and that was that was the work that she was doing Prior to coming to Ottawa To get involved in the demonstrations.

Speaker 1: 14:29

So why do you think that, basically, she was targeted? Do you think it's because you had that viral video of her being arrested and, because of that notoriety and the fact that she was One of the main people behind these demonstrations, they decided to make an example of her?

Speaker 5: 14:46

Well, I think it certainly a. Tamara was one of Numerous organizers, some of whom have been charged and others not, and it's kind of interesting to see some of the people who, who were taking the lead in the various media conferences, were not charged, others like Tamara and Were charged. Her role, principally, was the money, and she was. She put together a finance committee to try and Make sure that all the money that was collected was dispersed properly to the, the demonstrators that needed it, for food and fuel and and then and such that they would be able to Come on, stay in Ottawa and then eventually leave. That was basically her role and and that was, you know, clearly the thing that she was involved in During the, the demonstrations. She was one of, as I say, several organizers who were charged. There were others who were not.

Speaker 1: 16:02

It is interesting who they picked. But then again she's part of the money system and this was a big thing. Notice they didn't charge her with any economic fraud. Weird speaks to this woman's character. Where do you think you are as a country in Canada after all this, with prosecutions against Tamara and others?

Speaker 5: 16:23

Well, the prosecutions are one aspect of it. I think the larger Mark of lack of character was the the the imposition of the emergency measures Act. And when you consider that on the February 12th there had been an agreement made between the mayor of Ottawa, jim Watson, and Tim Merrick, and that agreement was to reduce the footprint, the impact on the residents in the downtown core by moving trucks Up onto Wellington Street and out to staging areas. That was the plan, that was what was agreed to on February the 12th and February the 14th. There were 102 vehicles, including 40 big rigs, that were moved pursuant to that agreement. The various demonstrations and convoys were respecting the agreement that had been reached and later that same night, the Prime Minister invoked the emergency measures Act completely unnecessary. It was suspension of rights and freedoms of people that was uncalled for, in my view, and it was coupled with Not only the arrests that took place shortly thereafter, but also with, as you pointed out, the suspension of people's access to money and their bank accounts, the kind of response to a peaceful demonstration which was completely unwarranted. The surprising and sad thing is that the subsequent commission that was held to look into this emergency measures Act came to the conclusion that that it was warranted for the Prime Minister to do so and and it just boggles the mind that somehow that was the result. I mean, I was in Montreal at the time when they wore measures Act, which was imposed by Justin Trudeau's father purely a Trudeau, then Prime Minister and that was a situation where there had been a, a Cabinet minister, covec cabinet minister, had been killed, a British diplomat had been kidnapped, and it was under those circumstances that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's father, pierre Elliott Trudeau, said that we were in a state of apprehended insurrection and that that just to form measures Act, in this circumstance, given the agreement that was in place, given the movement of the trucks, given the non, non violent, peaceful demonstrations that have been taking place, emergency measures were just uncalled for and and really very scary in terms of Democrat, democratic rights.

Speaker 1: 19:12

So, aside from the court cases that you're handling right now, how can people fight against that type of tyranny really? Because, just like you said, it's been upheld by the higher courts that they can invoke these Emergencies Act when you can't peacefully protest and agreements aren't up and held, and then you actually not only Politically Prosecute but criminally prosecute them and debank them. What is the recourse after that? If this, for instance, if Tamara is found guilty on any level or any of these people are, and the truck keeps rolling, how do you respond? What can you do?

Speaker 5: 19:52

Well, all we can do is what we are doing, which is fighting in the courts. The imposition of the the emergency measures Act has been. It has it's been finished, it's been terminated. My, my concern is how little it took to impose the emergency measures Act, and it does not bode well for the future. We we have an ongoing battle in Canada on behalf of people, and their rights and freedoms are enshrined in our Constitution. Unfortunately, our Constitution doesn't start with. We hold these truths to be self-evident. Our Constitution starts with. All rights and freedoms are subject to such reasonable limits as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. So we start with the, the notion that you have rights and freedoms but there's limits on them, as opposed to the American starting point, which Is a lot stronger on behalf of rights and freedoms of American people.

Speaker 1: 20:55

How can people support support to mirror right now there is a through democracy watch.

Speaker 5: 21:03

There is a Type of go fund me to assist, to assist her that way. I know that she's been doing a number of appearances across the country and promoting her book. We get all kinds of emails and letters at our office, basically people saying you know, you know, we're behind her and we, we hoped that you're successful. So there's been a lot, of, a lot of positive reinforcement. That that's of course. We passed all of that along to Tamara and she's, she's staying strong, she's, she's, she's gonna be okay.

Speaker 1: 21:44

Well, lawrence, obviously freedom is popular. There are plenty of people behind you. Here. You should be not only just like, totally inundated with emails and support, but financial support as well, because this is a huge issue and has huge ramifications. What happens with our neighbors to the north always trickles down here, just like in Europe. A lot of the policies fall in line, especially in this very global society. What would you like to leave the audience with?

Speaker 5: 22:14

I, very early on the crown, referred to what happened here in Ottawa as an occupation. We stood up and said very clearly this is not an occupation and in fact what took place there was a peaceful demonstration, and I think the most important thing is that people both here in Canada and around the world continue to stand up for their freedoms. We don't have, as an example, we don't have a constitutionally protected right to the enjoyment of property like you have in the United States, but we do have freedom of expression and freedom of peaceful assembly and those are constitutionally protected. And in a contest between freedom of expression and freedom of peaceful assembly and right to enjoyment of property as I said earlier on this trial, there is no contest those freedoms need to prevail.

Speaker 1: 23:14

Well, they all do, because when we're talking about property and our Fourth Amendment, it's our persons and property. So it's really the domain over the self and ownership of the things around us that we've earned in what used to be kind of like this meritocracy. It's going away very, very fast. Lawrence, thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. We're going to come back with Chris Paul. We're going to talk about the conviction of somebody else from the north. They've called him the Canadian Epstein, peter Nygaard. More after this with Making Sense of the Madness.

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Speaker 8: 24:59

After five days of deliberation, a jury has found Peter Nygaard guilty on four counts of sexual assault. The disgraced fashion mogul was also found not guilty on one count of forcible confinement and an additional charge of sexual assault. A therapist and survivor advocate for four of the women in this trial says post-verdict emotions have been overwhelming.

Speaker 4: 25:22

They've known for years and they were the other one in the room that this happened to, that happened to them. So they've known of his guilt. But to actually hear it, hear those first guilty, guilty verdicts, and here in Toronto is, it's just a very, very good shock.

Speaker 8: 25:40

Four years ago. Shannon Moroney says she contacted Toronto Police with two women who accused Nygaard of sexual assault the same year. Nygaard's son, kai Bickel, who has since renounced his last name and inheritance, says he came forward to members of his father's business after he says he saw his father inappropriately touch a child.

Speaker 9: 26:01

It's not a good brand association to be the son of a monster. I have zero benefit from this other than knowing that one more child won't be affected, one more woman won't be affected.

Speaker 8: 26:15

Bickel had scathing words for Nygaard's defense team following their cross-examination of the women.

Speaker 9: 26:21

They were called gold diggers by a lawyer who's lining his pockets to get this predator back on the streets. Who is the gold digger there?

Speaker 8: 26:28

Nygaard's defense team says it's considering whether to appeal. The 82-year-old pleaded not guilty to all charges stemming from alleged incidents ranging from the 1980s to the mid-2000s in his Toronto headquarters. The crown, meantime, is praising the bravery of the women who came forward.

Speaker 10: 26:46

This is a crime that typically happens in private and profoundly impacts human dignity. To stand up and recount those indignities in a public forum such as a courtroom is never easy and takes great courage.

Speaker 8: 27:00

Courage was for all survivors, said one of the women who Nygaard was found guilty of sexually assaulting in a statement through Moroni.

Speaker 4: 27:07

We stood up not only for ourselves, but for everybody else and for every other survivor, and we share this guilty verdict with everyone, every woman and girl.

Speaker 1: 27:21

Now Nygaard was worth almost a billion dollars, and to have his son renounce him and the inheritance shows you how dark this is. And you notice that he talked about children. Well, it actually got much darker than that, chris Hansen. You know the have a seat guy. I would argue nobody did more during that time period to shine the light on the darkness of pedophilia than Chris Hansen. Well, he dug deeper and he found out that there were allegations in the Bahamas because these guys all have these institutions in the Caribbean and their own little private escapades in islands or peninsulas that was Nygaard's, of course where he was drugging and raping, allegedly, girls as young as 14, getting them pregnant and then actually taking the stem cells of the aborted fetus and injecting him in his quest for immortality. Because, just like Jeffrey Epstein, who had a baby making ranch and in footage with Steve Bannon says that he had two islands of Dr Moreau that's genetic engineering folks, that's what the reference is Nygaard wanted to live forever. He had a quest for immortality. So we're going to queue up this other video from the CBC back in the day on Nygaard, transitioning from what the fashion industry remember Epstein had a little L Brands Wexner Association too into transhumanism and living forever or die trying. Let's hit the clip.

Speaker 11: 29:02

One man younger at heart than those half his age. That man is Peter Nygaard, and according to this video posted on YouTube, the 7 year old fashion designer claims to have discovered the fountain of youth.

Speaker 12: 29:15

Look at my before and after pictures. I come from anti aging to reverse aging.

Speaker 11: 29:20

He goes on to explain the science behind those claims.

Speaker 12: 29:23

I've been on stem cells for 3 or 4 times a year for the past 3 years.

Speaker 11: 29:28

Stem cells can be turned into just about any kind of cell, which means potentially they could be used to repair damage caused by disease, but in Canada it's illegal to clone them. Nygaard moved from Winnipeg to the Bahamas several years ago. He launched a biotech company in 2009, hired 4 scientists specializing in stem cell technology and lobbied the Bahamian government to create legislation to further his research. He now says his doctors have made a scientific breakthrough, successfully changing his skin cells into embryonic stem cells, essentially turning back his biological clock. This is huge.

Speaker 12: 30:05

This is a game changer. This could eliminate all disease. This, perhaps, is immortality.

Speaker 11: 30:12

But this University of Manitoba Ethics professor, who's been studying stem cell research since scientists cloned Dolly the sheep in the late 1990s, says Nygaard's claims are unfounded.

Speaker 12: 30:22

There is no magic stem cell cocktail that you can drink or inject into your arm, that will make you younger or healthier or that will help you to live longer.

Speaker 11: 30:32

Arthur Schaefer says, while the technology isn't there yet, there's still an ongoing debate, as the science could also be used to enhance physical and mental traits in only the people who could afford it.

Speaker 12: 30:43

The use of stem cell technology to create supermen and wonder women has many people feeling very uneasy.

Speaker 11: 30:52

But Schaefer admits if nothing else, Nygaard's video will further the debate on the issue until science catches up.

Speaker 12: 30:58

I want to live forever or die trying.

Speaker 2: 31:01

Bring the action.

Speaker 11: 31:03

Caroline Bargoots, cbc News Quinnipiac.

Speaker 1: 31:10

The old live forever or die. Trying is a long tail. The fountain of youth, the tree of life, the quest for immortality. Peter Nygaard did some dark things on the way, and this is just one trial. There are two more to come in his own country and he's even may be extradited to the United States. There are more formal allegations, as told by his own son, against him than there were against Cosby, epstein, and what Weinstein combined to talk about. This and much more, is Amp News contributor Chris Paul. He's also the host of the Be Reasonable podcast. Now, this is a win for me. I'm very happy about this. This shows that if enough pressure is put on somebody, no matter who they are, how much money and power they have, and no matter how many years they've been doing this sort of thing, they can indeed be brought to justice. Now, in this case, a little different from Epstein, he actually got his day in court, at least in the first trial. Epstein didn't quite make it there, at least to the trial aspect. I believe they were just about to pick juries when this second suicide attempt occurred. So what are your thoughts on this one? Well, again, for me, it shows that even those that think that they're untouchable and have been able to do horrendous things. There is maybe some light at the end of the dark tunnel.

Speaker 13: 32:36

I mean, I guess I would hope that that's the right take on it. I would much rather see all of this stuff exposed in public. I wish the mainstream media was actually covering it the way that you're covering it. That's not what we're seeing. What we're seeing is reports about how he was acquitted on some of the charges, and that kind of makes it sound like some of this is questionable and what's going on in the context of the as you are, but still, you know, for me I I'm primarily focused on narrative effects and how the narrative is changing and how people will ultimately kind of digest and react to what they're being told. So I think some of that is very good and what that what that perspective on things has the potential to show. Two things that are what's going on with the salacious sex assault allegations? Right, so the sex assault isn't only about sex assault. The pedophilia is not only about pedophilia. There are much deeper in darker agendas behind all of these things. It should not only red pill people a little bit about that stuff, but also potentially about issues related to the idea that there is actually a byproduct from these abortions that is worth not only a lot of money, but is one of the kind of A commodity that people are actually interested in obtaining so that they can further these other interests. It should be seen at by everyone. Is is really very odd and very disturbing that these people really do have a quest to live forever. They think that they're going to be able to live in a material realm, and between what they're trying to do to extend their own lives in this physical form and what they're trying to do with technology to extend their consciousness beyond this physical form, you know, I think that that is where, ultimately, we're going to need to kind of center this conversation and figure out what the hell people really are after with all of this, because the sex aspect is really important to you know, down a trail that gets much darker from there, as you mentioned.

Speaker 1: 35:04

Yeah, I think you nailed it. I think you nailed the fact that they should be front page everywhere. Yeah, on my earlier morning broadcast you know I caught this on Twitter, you know, but it was, you know, it's just somebody I followed, it got retweeted I had a decent amount of hits there but then by the morning I'm like, all right though, at least be a Reuters story or they'll be on Epstein Nowhere. The only place I found it was in Canadian media city news, cbc, etc. Which is frightening because again, you look at the parallels of someone like Epstein, who literally was trending just the other day because you did have another ruling in one of the lawsuits. Yes, jp Morgan Chase paying out another two hundred ninety million dollars Chump change for them. Think about that, folks. They're not just a hundred billion dollars, they just paid out. It's a whisper in the media. This guy convicted four or five counts with thousands of allegations over decades. That really got even darker, chris, because, again, what people don't know about the aspects of the abortion, those stem cells Were utilized because he had a genetic part of himself in there. He was literally being vampiric off of his own all the time. So I'm gonna talk about like literal Dracula nightmare. Not to mention he looks a lot like Gary Oldman in that old school Bram Stoker's Jackal, just saying, like I brought up a side by side pretty much there, you know, I mean the that's reality, that's the thing it's. It's almost so dark that you think it's a movie and it's not real. And then the media doesn't cover it and then guys like you and I cover it and it's just kind of either push it out of the way or the other way. I mean it's not really a movie, but the guy was literally a human vampire.

Speaker 13: 36:59

That got convicted of some of the lighter stuff, chris. Yeah, I mean, you know, when I, when I look at the media coverage of this, it seems like what they're attempting, at least, is a limited hangout. And you know it's, it's kind of the responsibility of the people to keep pushing this stuff and maintain the interest, keep sharing these stories so that people actually do detect those lower levels, and then then we're going to be in a society man. We're getting hit with so much Information all the time that is just so disturbing. Just so much new information about what our reality actually is, and people will eventually hit a point where they just can't take in any more of it. And it's at that point that we need to keep pressing, because this stuff goes on for centuries or millennia, because people never really have what it really is. These people are trying to live forever. They are so self obsessed that they want to create their own progeny so that they can use their own progeny to extend their own lives indefinitely. And at what point does that stop right? Does he? Does he say, well, it worked once and I got another two or three years. That's probably good. I'm really. You know, I had a lot of people who were like I've got a lot of people who were like I've got a lot of people who have made it totally worth it. They just want to keep going Because to them, the entire point is to be the, the God of this realm. And you know, in the technological aspect, that's where you bring in a I as well. They want all the knowledge of everything all the time so they can help guide this same quest and ultimately, normal people are not going to be able to get into the depopulation agenda. And again, it sounds nuts, but it's consistent with everything else we know about these people. Each individual element of this story can be proven out individually and it's time for people to just accept that this really is the stuff of of folklore and those dark fairy tales. These are those people. They exist in our time, in the past, in kind of like a middle earth realm that doesn't really exist on earth. This is just a real thing that happens.

Speaker 1: 39:25

You know and I always encourage people if they think that it's not a real thing and they need just a little historical reference it's tough to find. It's an old, wired article. But if you look up bill joy why the future doesn't need us and bill joy was this you know tech mogul son micro systems, who actually he had always kind of like pushed off transhumanism or the idea the computers would ever be smarter than people or be a danger to people. And then Ray Kurzweil was speaking and then he talked to Ray Kurzweil after all the sudden it became a reality and one of the really interesting aspects of that entire article where he talks about the possibility of a superclass essentially eliminating the vast majority of us and on the piggybacks of this entire article, it basically ignores us and it's a real thing and it's a really interesting way to raise it up with this symposium that you don't know who's written it and it sounds really intelligent and it happens to be from Ted Kosinski, the unibomber food for thought. People check that out. We're gonna take a break. We're gonna come back with a little lighter subject, not just like AI takeovers and vampiric, pedophilic monsters. We're gonna sense of the madness.

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Speaker 10: 42:42

I think there's something deeper going on in the Republican Party here, and I am upset about what happened last night. We've become a party of losers at the end of the day. We have cancer in the Republican establishment and I think we have to speak the truth. I mean, since Ron McDaniel took over as chairwoman of the RNC in 2017, we have lost 2018, 2020, 2022, no red wave. That never came. We got trounced last night in 2023. And I think that we have to have accountability in our party. For that matter, ron, if you want to come on stage tonight, you want to look the GOP voters in the eye and tell them you resign. I will turn over my yield my time to you and, frankly, look the people there cheering for losing in the Republican Party. Think about who's moderating this debate. This should be Tucker Carlson, joe Rogan and Elon Musk. We'd have 10 times the viewership asking questions that GOP primary voters actually care about and bringing more people into our party. You think the Democrats and we've got Kristen Welker here you think the Democrats would actually hire Greg Gutfeld to host a Democratic debate? They wouldn't do it, and so the fact of the matter is I mean Kristen, I'm going to use this time, because it's actually about you in the media and the corrupt media establishment. Ask you the Trump-Russia collusion hoax that you pushed on this network for years. Was that real or was that Hillary Clinton made up disinformation? Answer the question. Go, mr Ron. This is how we get our country back. We need accountability because this media rigged the 2016 election. They rigged the 2020 election with the Hunter Biden laptop story. Mr Ron Beslan, your time is up.

Speaker 5: 44:16

Let me turn to Governor Christie.

Speaker 10: 44:18

Why are?

Speaker 1: 44:21

you Letting shut him up quick enough when he went after the media. Come on, you've got to love that, chris Paul. I mean, that was gold wrapped in platinum, started with diamonds, with a rainbow and a unicorn, and I'll let the back of it just trounce it away. I loved every second of it. I love the fact he went after the establishment. I love the fact that he called out by name the Russian collusion hoax. And then there was a little smirkel from the mainstream media. Mistress that knows what she did, knew what she was doing when she did it. What were your thoughts on the performance? Because everybody else up there seemed not only super establishment but really nowhere on the level of a fake.

Speaker 13: 45:05

Yeah, I think that that's exactly right. I mean, that was the worst of three debates and they've all been really bad and really pointless. I don't believe that these are real debates. I don't believe that there's a real primary. So all of this, for me again, is just a matter of narrative manipulation, and I think that Vivek is the only person on that stage that understands that at all. The rest of it was supposed to be seen as this real, serious policy discussion amongst these, these sorts of people that are prepared to handle the big problems facing the country. I mean, it's an absolute clown show. Ron DeSantis did himself no favors. He has now lost a debate last year to Charlie Christ and he has lost three debates in this Republican primary, not only to the candidates on stage, but to a person who was not on stage in Donald Trump. And in a couple of more weeks he's about to lose a debate to Gavin Newsom of California, who's not currently running for anything. But Vivek Ramaswamy knocked it out of the park multiple times. He is a narrative disruptor on the Republican fake primary, fake debate stage and that is the best. I mean if there were in bed MSNBC viewers or NBC viewers watching all this, if there were Democrats watching this debate then he has probably upset them very much. He's certainly upset the Republican establishment. The supporters of these other candidates all have gone out of their minds now for the last five days. So all of that, as far as I'm concerned, is glorious. Put these narratives and these discussions in front of the general public. That's what we don't see enough of on mainstream airwaves and I'm glad that Vivek is confident enough in these positions to put them in front of the people. The last thing I would say is the unfortunate part of what he's doing is that all of these points have been known by people on our side of the fence for three years or five years or seven years, or even if it's a few weeks or a few months. You know Vivek is sounding very based relative to mainstream media, but not at all when you compare it to what MAGA and to conspiracy theorists have been saying for for years now.

Speaker 1: 47:29

Oh, I don't know if we're going to get vampiric pedophile baby eaters yet I mean we're not maybe not gonna need an eye guard yet. However, however, you know we're going to forgo Nikki Haley calling him scum. I watched the whole thing yeah, listen to Santas and Nikki Haley had uncomfortable looks on their faces Like I can't believe someone's saying this to me that millions of people are probably going to at least watch pieces of it and they certainly did, especially with them trying to push Haley. But I do want to queue up this clip where he calls basically DeSantis and Haley Cheney and heels Hit it.

Speaker 10: 48:05

But I want to be careful to avoid making the mistakes from the neocon establishment of the past. Corrupt politicians in both parties spent trillions, killed millions, made billions for themselves in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting wars that sent thousands of our sons and daughters people my age to die in wars that did not advance anyone's interests, adding $7 trillion to our national debt. And Joe Biden sold off our foreign policy. Joe Biden's son, hunter Biden, got a $5 million bribe from Ukraine. That's why we're sending $200 billion back to that same country. The fact of the matter is, the Republican Party is not that much better. You have the likes of Nikki Haley, who stepped down from her time at the UN. Bankruptor in debt was her family. Then she becomes a military contractor, she joins the board of Boeing and otherwise, and is now a multi-millionaire. So I think that that's wrong. When Republicans do it or Democrats do it, that's the choice we face. Do you want a leader from a different generation who's going to put this country first, or do you want Dick Cheney and three inch heels?

Speaker 6: 49:05

All right, Mr Roberts, we've got two of them on stage.

Speaker 1: 49:09

Come on, that's vintage Trump right there. That is. That again is just, he nailed it, man. And the other thing is, you know, we got Tim Scott, who was probably less charismatic than Chris Christie, which is less charismatic than a dying slug on the street. He's dropped out even after trying to roll out his somewhat cute 40 something girlfriend. I mean it is kind of a cartoon show up there, but it's a fun cartoon show when you got somebody like Vivek state in those truths Chris.

Speaker 13: 49:40

Yeah, I'm with you. He certainly does make it more fun. Tim Scott bringing out a beard for some reason is a little strange. I mean we all knew. But yeah, man, I love this stuff. I love going after the military industrial complex and the ridiculous defense spending and this military adventurism that has been the hallmark of American politics over our lifetimes. We are the global police force of the global regime. I think that the American people are ready to see all of that come to an end. He nailed both DeSantis and Nikki Haley with the Dick Cheney and three inch heels. Gotta love that. I was actually impressed. I hope I'm not stepping on one of your clips that might come up, but I was impressed later on where he when he called Volodymyr Zelensky a comedian in cargo pants and highlighted the fact that he is commanding Nazi battalions in Ukraine. These are important things for people in the mainstream to hear. They can call them conspiracy theories, as they've done now for 21 months, but sooner or later the truth of this narrative is going to win out and I wish people would recognize this pattern and be a little bit more cognizant of that pattern and it's recurrence when they're looking at current events in Israel. A lot of the story that's going out there is going to prove wrong and the people who are, you know, encouraging mass death and destruction on the basis of these stories, knowing that they are going to be proven wrong in the future, I think should exercise more caution.

Speaker 1: 51:26

I think they should too. We're done with the clips Also called out. Biden is not running the country and not running in 2024. He knocked it out of the park. We got to take one more break. We come back. We're gonna talk to about Chris Ball, whatever he wants. Whatever we missed this week, chris Paulson tells us about it. We'll be back after this Making sense of the madness Final segment with Chris Paul. Chris, what do we miss this week? I mean, you were just talking about the Israeli Palestinian conflict and I think that you're 100% correct. We've already found out that US special forces were indeed in the region when the attack happened on October 7th. We've sent other special forces units there. This conflict seems to be escalating. You know, nikki Haley, it's time to be in that business, because Lockheed Martin, raytheon they are still crawling upwards. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 13: 53:31

Yeah, that's what I spent the last two episodes of my show talking about. Last week, you know, we had the reports about how media outlets had freelance journalists embedded with Hamas during these attacks. You know, we know that intelligence agencies were aware of the attacks in advance, and, with intelligence agencies infiltrating the media, we have a situation where there are elements in our society who know that something like this is going to occur and then don't warn anybody. You know, and it's not only that, it's a failure on a military level to prevent something like this from happening. It's also a failure on a human level to not alert people that something is coming. We think about this stuff all wrong. We are so accustomed to believing that we are subjects of this government and this regime and that they need to be prepared, and that they need this secrecy in order to protect us. And that's true, even while they fail to protect us. You know. So we have a situation here where we can't really trust any of the information that's coming out. No one is looking for who to hold accountable within these intel agencies. We're just pushing for World War Three and a whole bunch of agendas that these people wanted to accomplish before any of these events ever occurred or we ever knew about them, you know. So in that situation, what I come back to is we exist in a zero trust information environment. We should not assume that anything we're being told is true and somehow we need to find ways to navigate through that regardless. And so what do we do? You know, that is when we really have to think about what the tradeoffs are when we commit ourselves to certain positions and certain beliefs. And you know, then I just finished the week last week talking about how it's impossible to hold anyone accountable for any of this stuff, because the systems are created to prevent accountability, and that comes most especially with our elections. The one way that the people are able to exercise their voice and hold people accountable is through elections. If those elections are rigged and stolen, then all accountability is gone, and that's when people kind of just check out. You know, if we're going to have a government that is of buying for the people, then people need to be involved. They need to be making decisions about what's right and wrong, and we have to figure out a way to do that, even understanding that the majority of what we're told simply isn't true. You know, a lot of that comes with refocusing on local issues, our communities, our families and the things that we actually can affect and can understand and can know the truth about because they're very close to us, not these things that we see on television about what's happening 8,000 miles away.

Speaker 1: 56:13

Well, I'd love some accountability and I got to tell you how do you get that back? Because I think you're right and in a lot of cases I don't think that we have free and fair elections and we haven't for some time. I think there's been varying degrees of excessive rigging since we brought in the electronic machines. Obviously, before that, I mean, a lot of people will make the argument maybe rightly so that the Chicago mob got JFK elected through ballot boxes Stuffing back in the day. This isn't a new thing. But now the narrative control and the unaccountability is really a new thing. We see some of these people getting burned, but they're usually outside of the government, even if they might be working with government agencies Epstein in particular, right. But when we talk about accountability, another reason I'm really liking Vivek more and more is he says he's going to slash the federal government in half on day one by firing every single person with the odd number ending in their social security number. I love that. I mean, it's nondiscriminatory. Obviously there'll have to be exceptions in some case, but there'll have to be a thing for that. But 99% of those people would still be fired and maybe then there is some realism to chop in some dragon's heads off and you know, cutting the snake down and getting accountability back. I mean, is that a good step one, or am I totally naive? Does that sound like a good idea to you, chris?

Speaker 13: 57:36

I'm down with all of that. You know, even preferable to that as far as I'm concerned is the Trump agenda and the schedule F firings, the dismantling of the bureaucratic state. You know these federal agencies have no business, having ever been created in the first place. I think Vivek Ramaswamy is out there to sell the MAGA agenda to normies, to convince them of what these priorities are and the justification behind them, and then ultimately, the kind of switch will be made where people realize, oh hey, that's actually what Donald Trump plans to do, and thank goodness for the circus on showtime. I don't know if these people actually believe that they are making fools out of the America first agenda and the people that represent it, but if that's what they think, I think they're failing spectacularly and they are really, really underestimating the public sentiment of the American people right now and how much the people want to see some accountability, how much the people want to see legitimate change away from this global regime and its corruption.

Speaker 1: 58:43

Chris, that's going to do it. Thank you so much for joining us and thank you guys for joining us Monday through Friday here at amp news dot us, where the truth lives, 6pm Eastern time. I absolutely love you guys and I'll see you on the flip side.