Disrupting The Mainstream Media and Big Tech | Counter Narrative Ep. 152

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hello, it's Monday, November 13th, I'm Courtney Turner and I'm filling in for Christy Lee, and this is the Counter Narrative. We often hear about parallel systems as a solution to the institutional capture by what I call the parasite class. However, parallel systems that don't disrupt the mainstream system often get siloed and then they get eaten alive. Both of today's guests are doing great things to build much needed systems in the areas of technology and media, and we're going to talk today about what they're doing and why it's needed. My first guest is RJ Johnson. He's an entrepreneur and industry visionary and the founder of Broadcasting Inc. We're going to talk about that today. His IT career took off while assisting the Department of Defense in providing complimentary calls to US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Sparked by a passion for IT that began at age 12, RJ advanced his career in government contracting, working with leading technology consulting firms, including Accenture and ICF. Rj played a pivotal role in developing the technology that underpinned reforms, designing APIs for states to transmit data to the federal government and crafting the data to user-friendly format. During Trump's first term, this work enabled the White House staff to effectively monitor infrastructure projects across the nation. He then assisted Brandon House in expanding his network and enhancing video quality for viewers. Their collaboration led to the formation of Johnson House LLC, which was instrumental in launching Mike Lindell's Frank Speech, a platform that became one of the most targeted and canceled in Internet history. Following this venture, RJ launched Broadcasting Inc, an enterprise designed to be an uncancelable infrastructure and pioneering software. As a service company, it offers foundational software layer for media management, alongside elegant web applications and over-the-top channels, empowering influencers to connect with their audiences regardless of location. This is super exciting to see it. Like you know, an interruption in big tech, which is what this seems like. So we're going to learn more about this. I'm excited to bring our guest RJ on today. How are you doing?

Speaker 3: 2:49

Hey, courtney, thanks for having me on. Good to see you.

Speaker 1: 2:52

You too. Thanks so much for being here. So let's start with. I outlined a little bit of your bio and how you got into IT industry and supporting particularly conservative personalities. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Speaker 3: 3:09

Yeah, absolutely so. It wasn't specifically conservative when I started out. I really wanted to serve you know, serve from a technical perspective our troops that were overseas. So this is back in the Afghanistan and Iraq war. I picked up a contract for the DOD to provide free calls to those troops in both AORs. Move from that and started developing stuff for US Senate and FEMA, just went through the normal contracting process there in Washington DC until I finally came to a really rewarding project and that was for when President Trump was doing a push for permits for the big infrastructure projects throughout the country. It was very early on in his first term. Hopefully the real second and basically all that information and the workflows to make it faster, to increase that process. I designed all the backend systems that enabled that and also the data that came in from the states as they transmitted that back to the federal government. I aggregated that information and sent those to dashboards that were then used by White House staff to manage those infrastructure projects. That was probably one of my favorite and most rewarding projects, left there and worked into transportation space a little bit and then was tasked to come over and help Mike Lindell solve some really big problems shortly after J6 and launch break speech.

Speaker 1: 4:44

So you said when you first started, you know is mostly in your military experience. What made you was it Trump that made you want to support conservative personalities, and what particularly motivated you to be in that space, and what do you see as some of the problems in that space?

Speaker 3: 5:02

Yeah, great question. So it was actually back when Bill O'Reilly was early on in the Fox News space. You know, after, shortly after 9-11, all of us were looking for ways and got dialed in and started reading his books, culture Warrior and some of those other things. And I'm a Christian. We have Christmas, we have Christmas trees and just things started happening in the social sphere. You know, they started changing Christmas trees to holiday trees and it didn't have nothing like that. And as those social changes started coming into place, my views continued to move more over into the conservative space. My wife's family actually I'm not going to say the gentleman's name, but he was the lead political correspondent for the Washington Times for many, many years and was able to go to some of the CPAC events over there in here at DC and really get mixed in with the conservative movement and really understand the problems and the things that they were trying to tackle and limiting government in those areas and that really identified with that. You know it's we don't believe in making people fit into a box, it's more. We give you the tools so that you can be successful as a country is what I'm speaking about. And empowering people to do that and making sure they have free speech and their voices, whether they, whether we agree with them or not, that they have an avenue to distribute that message.

Speaker 1: 6:36

Yeah, that's so important because I really feel like free speech is really under attack right now. You know and I'm very much a fan of full terror statement, or at least it was attributed to him you know I may not like what they have to say, but I defend the right to say it. But big tech doesn't seem to work right. Big tech doesn't seem to subscribe to that at all and, if anything, they seem to very much be abetting a very specific agenda, one that I do not support at all, because it seems like they are looking to build. I always say they have this agenda. They want to create a transhuman, leading to post human worlds where we're all siloed, where we're all controlled by an AI high board of mind that they program and then we're siloed in the metaphors, and that's not really a world I want to see. So I think it's really important that we do have, because, you know, there are some right. There's some great things about the Internet and it can really be a great platform to connect people, but unfortunately, if we have this constant ramp and some censorship, then it does more to divide people. So what do you see as some of those challenges? How do you think that broadcast ink, for instance, or you know in general that what are some of the things you think can help to. You know, take care of some of these problems and unify them, yeah, solve those problems yeah.

Speaker 3: 7:58

Yeah, you know they're not easy problems to solve. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:00

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 8:02

They haven't been solved yet. But we are, we're working very hard. I've solved those with the rumble gather public square. Those companies, you know, give a lot of credit to those people really stepping out and jumping into the public square. It's funny when I left big consulting firms they actually came in and now that I've posted those things I've been blacklisted on LinkedIn. Essentially nobody can see my post. You know, that was expected and that's kind of been the theme through Facebook and somewhat to Twitter. It's getting a little bit better, but there's still some issues there, you know, really taking away people's voice. I'll give you an example. When we started to do Frank speech for Mike and that was a very complex problem because we were shortly after J6. Main Parler had been disconnected from AWS, so they destroyed their entire business, you know, and so we didn't want to have to deal with those issues with the big cloud providers. So we went forward at Mike's direction and decided to do it. We were going to build out several clusters, several data centers in different parts of the country, so if one got canceled we had another one. But we found some serious pushback from areas I hadn't seen before. Right To give you an example about 10 days before we were ready to launch Frank speech, we lost our data center. You know it was by the biggest data center company in the world and we got emails from their lawyers coming back saying hey, you know, we decide we don't want to have you essentially. And then, two days before we launched Frank speech, we had our CDN provider who basically delivers video and handles the delivery of content to large audiences. So they kind of stand in front of all your servers and they make sure that you're not flooded. Well, they cut us off two days before, so we're scrambling the data come up. We were able to find somebody, but the amount of tax that came in were unheard of. I've been dealing with cancellations with Brandon House for about 10 years, being flooded with DDOS requests and that means they're just sending you hundreds of thousands of looking like people coming to your website. And it was interesting, they were hacked cell phones that they were attacking us with and social media accounts. So it was literally people's Facebook accounts were being sent and sending these. I think we got to four billion requests in three days attack request. So it was at a level that I hadn't seen before. To Mike's credit, it brings a ton of traffic that comes in. So there was a lot of people that wanted to watch it and obviously there were some problems that we had to deal with and that didn't just stop in the day. We had to deal with that for several months until we were able to plug all the holes and make sure that those things were being taken care of so shortly after COVID. So finding hardware and things were very challenging.

Speaker 1: 11:40

Yeah, I can imagine. So what do you think with broadcast ink? What do you think can be done and how do you think that you can solve some of those problems? I mean that sounds really challenging. It sounds like a massive infrastructure to deal with, especially the number of hacks you're talking about, right?

Speaker 3: 11:58

Yeah, I mean you got to cover the hacks that are coming in. You have to cover the video delivery, so the most complex thing on the internet is to deliver video, and that's really what I focused on Once we stopped working with Mike and we started putting our resources into developing what we call. It's called the hybrid cloud, so we built a cloud infrastructure which is not like if you go to Amazon and you can like get your servers and you can do all these technical things. We really focused in on broadcasting and we've been very fortunate and blessed during this process that we did find some really good technical people that share our values, and that is a very complex thing. I have some audio I apologize, I didn't bring it, but developers calling us up and saying, you know, I just can't, and good conscience, go ahead and do this work with so-and-so and I'm like, really, so that was interesting, but the real problem is delivering that video delivering the video and delivering the content. So we built this hybrid cloud so our customers can come onto our services and if they're canceled by Amazon or if they're canceled by Microsoft, our system literally will shift their resources over to a new cloud or to their own hardware and will continue delivering their services uninterrupted. You know they have a big cancellation. It could be a few hours, but we spent a lot of time, a lot of money on investing and making sure we had that built out and we were fortunate, I was saying, to find the right people. So on our team we actually have the same people that have ran the country's largest sporting events. I'm not going to say the name, but I'm sure you can think about what it is the leads, the lead architects for those systems for big media are actually on our team and have designed our infrastructure. So that's really that's the one big problem that we want to solve with broadcasting, because it makes sure that people aren't canceled, they can continue delivering their video, and delivering their video at a high quality. You know that's obviously a big thing that you'll make sure there's no spinning wheels when you're watching the video. So we really spent a lot of time and money solving that. And then we went to do a nice front end. So we really wanted to spend some time and effort to make sure that the front ends when I say front end, the website that our customer use for our broadcasting platform Essentially Broadcasting Inc is a core base fora broadcasting platform and then we attach a website on top of that that. We've spent significant time and energy and investments to make sure we have something that looks like it comes out of a it's much better than a Fox News site that looks like in Netflix, that looks like the big technology company. So we've made significant investments to give those kind of designs and functionality to our customers. And then we have a software as a service program. So instead of making those investments themselves, they can use Broadcasting Inc. We can develop their websites or we have their websites for them. And we also have channels on Roku, apple TV, fire TV, samsung, lg. So we've covered just about every area that you can distribute your content. Additionally, we've added on a total of 6,000 integrations that you can integrate your content with and have it automatically sent out to different platforms.

Speaker 1: 15:23

That's amazing. So, yeah, one of my first like big questions you know, I remember when I first talked to you was when you said it was uncancelable, like that's a major claim, that's a pretty bold statement to make, right? I was like, really, how are they going to ensure that and you really just laid it out so beautifully and that's a major undertaking that most people don't have the bandwidth, the capacity or the foresight to be able to do so? Really, really grateful that you're taking that on. Yeah, absolutely, I think you showed a clip. I don't know if we can the picture, but just to show how much is being canceled. So I'm not sure if we have that. But yeah, the YouTube channel of her LAPD headquarters has been temporarily suspended after we posted a video of a brutal attack in Pacific Division, asking the public's health and identifying the suspect. We have appealed. The suspension have been denied. So yeah, we're seeing this really just from everywhere, and I know personally I've had so many channels on YouTube, yeah, and I just keep getting taken down. I'm super close again now on my you know pirated channel, if you will, to getting 1000. But it seems like they always just knew me right before. So I don't know. It was like my 11th episode and then suddenly I was on the SPLC's website as a quote unquote hate podcast. I would like to know how they even how they knew who existed by episode 11. But somehow they did so. This is a really, really big problem and it's a really big concern. I'm so grateful that you're taking this on. And then the other thing you just addressed with the 6000 different platforms, because this is you know what did Elon Musk say? Because you said you know we are getting a little bit more you know speech, free speech there, but there's still censorship there. And, yeah, his own statement, right, yeah, and his own statement was that you'll have freedom of speech but not reach, and this is something I personally have definitely experienced. You know, they call it the shadow banning and that's. It seems like this way of it just reminds me of like it's kind of like being gaslit. You know, because you're you, it's so subtle but you really can't deny that you're being suppressed, and I definitely experienced it and I've watched. You know, instagram is one of the platforms where it was more provable, quantifiable, because I could see my numbers going up at the same time, at the same rate they're going down, and sometimes it would be equal and yet they would tell me the overall was a loss and, like I can do basic math, this is this doesn't pan out, but you know I don't make the rules.

Speaker 3: 18:11

They do, so I lose so, and that's a big part of the problem. It's a huge part of the rules.

Speaker 1: 18:21

Right, right.

Speaker 3: 18:22

No technical.

Speaker 1: 18:25

Go on yeah.

Speaker 3: 18:26

Right, yeah, they have those kind of change from if you think about the old days of Ma Belle. We had a government that came into place and they saw that there was an issue there, specifically around control and power, and so they made the necessary steps to break up Ma Belle. Well, in my opinion, the political leaders that we have have not taken those steps, those things that they should have done and breaking up not necessarily breaking up, but put laws in place to kind of drive and define what those big tech companies can do and what can be canceled or should be certain things that are promoting violence and things of that nature. But and unfortunately, these big tech companies they didn't take it upon themselves to use the guiding law of land, the US Constitution, and make sure that we have freedom of speech. They basically clamored in with media and then started following that tagline, and that's very unfortunate and that's exactly why we had these parallel economies coming up. A big challenge that we have in this parallel economy is because they have such large market share and because they are very technical and they know how to accomplish these things, they don't have a lot of fear that somebody can come up and that can knock them off the top rungs. But I definitely believe that that's not the case. Right, things change and as they're changing and right now they're changing where, as we posted, that LAPD, even a public service, a police officers yeah, police officers, headquarters can come out and say, hey, we got the serious issue going on, and then they're being blocked. So there needs to be things on the legislative end that need to protect those type of entities, and if they're not gonna allow us to have free speech, then we're going to make our own investments and build out our own system so that they can't cancel us and that we can provide that voice to people that need it most.

Speaker 1: 20:30

Yeah, so this is a little bit maybe off topic, but I think it might be related. I'm just curious your thoughts on because I think they're. Really. I've done a lot of research into the UN 100, which is where they're imagining the centennial so it was essentially 2045 of the UN creation. The cliff notes is that they're trying to build this AI world society and so I right. So I do think they really see AI as the analogy I use was of an AI high board mind that they program to put us all into the metaverse. So what do you see as the future of the internet, these big tech platforms, how AI will play a role? And then, do you think that independent types of companies like Broadcast Inc and just the we, the people, will have any recourse and ability to exist outside of their you know control mechanism and infrastructure that it looks like they're putting in place?

Speaker 3: 21:35

Yeah, you know, it's very interesting that you bring up AI. That is a big topic, right? It's like you know, all of a sudden start typing in and they can provide you know entire articles. They can do these things. It's still a piece of technology in my mind, right, If they were developing these things responsibly technically, if you know the data that's coming into an AI model to an LLM model, you should know exactly how it comes out. The other side, right? Because as long as you know the data, the problem is they let these big data models go out and aggregate data from just everywhere across the internet, so they have no basis for what that information is going in, so they're not sure what exactly is going to come out. You know they have this idea and concern of artificial general intelligence. I don't know if I subscribe to that. I think AI is good in several ways and could move us forward and can empower people. The problem is, when you issue technologies like this, you're essentially kicking a whole level of the economy, the middle class, out of jobs and they say, oh, those jobs are going to go and they'll continue in different ways and they can be trained to do those things, but that long period and that blatant disregard for people in those areas is a serious problem and that's not something, in my mind, that we should do. You know, they say if we don't build it, somebody else is going to build it. Well, that's the. That's the. It's basically taking your moral responsibility to society or the people around you completely out of it, just saying, well, it's not me. I'm just going to do it, so I don't necessarily agree with those things as well. I think us individuals like ourselves that believe in free speech, that want to have a voice out there, it really is up to us to make those efforts, and I think we're working on that. I think we have a long way to go, but as long as we're moving in that direction, it is going to change. Media is changing, as everybody knows. The sports contracts are being changed, from the NBA, from the NHL, and so big media is. They're losing the grips in several different ways. So, if we are able to, as they say, maga, crowd and whatnot, but essentially, if you're 52 or 54 million how many voters that voted for President Trump in the last election they're essentially saying that half or more of the United States are extremists. Well, that's not logical, right? They're just people that believe in having that right. It's crazy.

Speaker 1: 24:20

Yeah, we have a lot of work to do and if you're already can't be extremist by definition, right? That kind of doesn't work. Extreme implies that you're outside standard deviation, right, you're an outlier. And if you're the majority, you're not an outlier. So yeah, mathematically it doesn't work out that way.

Speaker 3: 24:39

Right. Yeah they just completely knock off part of the part of the general public out there. And so with changes like X, I think, twitter moving to Elon Musk, whatever you think about them, at least they're allowing to have conversations that they're not allowing them on the platforms. So in that, I think that's a very good change and something that we can look forward to. But you know there are those concerns and you do have those big entities that once they start making decisions based on the financial requirements of that organization, sometimes those goalposts move. So I'm not for legislating things that don't need to be, but I think there needs to be something in place to say, hey, you guys can't cancel them, but we're not gonna have that with the current leaders we have in the office right now. They don't have the willpower to do it because it doesn't benefit them right now. It benefits them to have our voices suppressed. So we have a lot of work to do, but we do.

Speaker 1: 25:47

We are wrapping up on time. But I have one more question for you, because you talked about how they're doing all this data collection right now. You know like they have these spider bots that are just it's almost like they're just, you know insatiable data collecting, and then we don't know what the input, nor do we know even how they can scour that. What you know, the technological capability, capacity to even mine through. That is. So my concern, I think, with a lot of these digital platforms, is that things like and I know this, you know from my own experience, I've also talked to people who worked at places like Google but I know I've experienced with my own videos like we uploaded, and they have technology where they can descript while it's uploading and cancel you right then and there. So my concern is what happens moving forward as this AI type of capacity and also just the push and the usage of it expands and they're, you know, going to be using it, because it's oftentimes not even people who are censoring. It's like some sort of a program that's being run, an algorithm that is now detecting what's being permitted and what's not. So what do you think about that and how is there anything you can be done about that.

Speaker 3: 27:06

Well, I think, do you think you can be like, solve your?

Speaker 1: 27:08

legislation. Do you think it's?

Speaker 3: 27:11

mm-hmm. I think it's gonna be just happen. It's going to be solved using the free market, right? We really have to invest those resources and invest in those technologies, right? It's not easy to find technology people that follow our values. However, I did find, as we were doing a lot of these interviews and hiring a lot of people for these what could be considered divisive topics and employers, that there is a lot of people in tech that do believe in free speech, but they don't believe in what is happening socially, but they really like to do technology right, and working with these people typically have to have a certain type of temperament to get the best, and so there's some complex problems there, but they're 100% solvable. First, make sure that we're not canceled and that the voices can go out, and then, as it comes to large language models, it's just technology. So, as long as we have the financial resources going into an area to design that, I think it is my opinion that, like an X takeover started increasing a lot of engagement there. We do the same with the comes to large language models. We do the same when it comes to the home technologies and really put the data and the data ownership back to the people, which can be handled through blockchain and some other ways. So there's a lot of exciting technologies that can be used to help us, but they're definitely using that same technology right now to try to control us and that considers with our financial system and others. So now is the time we have to make those investments and really start pushing forward, and if we don't, we're gonna be in the dystopian country that we don't wanna live in At least, I don't.

Speaker 1: 28:58

I don't know what the world arguably, but I agree with you that I think it's incumbent upon the people of America to preserve the free will of humanity, absolutely. So. I'm so grateful to people like you who are using your resources, your experience, your expertise to be able to inject into the market and give us some freedom of speech and use the technology for good. That's really what we need. There needs to be. If it's a spiritual battle, we need both the light and the dark competing against each other. So thank you so much, and thank you so much for spending time with us today. Tell everybody where they can find you, where they can learn about broadcasting and whatever else you wanna close out with.

Speaker 3: 29:37

Absolutely so. Broadcastinginc. Broadcastinginc is the website we have in. Come and see a little bit about what we do. I have a Twitter account at legally underscore RJ and I just want to put out there. If you haven't watched Courtney Taylor's podcast, you haven't followed her, been working with her and the people that are around her and they are awesome people. They're really good people and thank you for the opportunity, Courtney, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 30:03

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Our next guest, kent Emmons. His big claim to fame is creating the 24-7 comedy radio format, which now lives on all over the place. Owning radio stations and networks over the years, emmons discovered early on that there were big bucks to be made by running spots for products that sold directly to consumers. By having a good eye to spot products that would sell well, he started dedicating a substantial portion of his media outlet and ad inventory to direct response. That easily carried over to television. Emmons founded Kent Direct Inc, an international direct response television and digital firm that, along with his affiliates, has generated several billion dollars of sales over the years. In 2018, kent, along with some like-minded friends from across the business spectrum, saw a massive hole in the media market. News on both sides of the fence was not only broken, but the big networks were totally ignoring the 18-49 year old crowd this is very true which is also the most profitable media demographic. Recognizing a very clearly wide, open and very profitable hole in the media space, kent and his posse formed Crave News, a very edgy, hip, live, interactive digital news network. Crave News is in launch phase now. Kent Emmons, so great to see you.

Speaker 7: 33:58

Courtney, great to be with you. How are you?

Speaker 1: 34:01

I am doing well, thank you. How are you doing?

Speaker 7: 34:05

Awesome. By the way, it was great to see RJ on in the first segment. I love that guy. He is fantastic.

Speaker 1: 34:10

He's awesome, right? Yeah, he really is the technology.

Speaker 7: 34:13

He's got that. He's doing. He actually is going to change the face of media with ads. And the fact that it's a non-cancelable type of format. I mean, he's doing wonders. Plus, he's a great cat, great dude.

Speaker 1: 34:30

Yeah, absolutely. I'm just so honored to know the two of you, the people who are really making a difference in the media space, and I think you know I talk about the triple MIC. So, like the media industrial complex, the medical industrial complex, yeah. And then we have the media industrial complex that does their bidding for them, and if anybody doubts that, you know you can just go look at DECAST classified documents from Operation Mockingbird. This is not made up. We really have a media industrial complex and therefore we need independent people in the media space to disrupt it and to provide some sort of competition, because I think the people really don't want that type of media that's controlling them. Yeah, what are your thoughts on all?

Speaker 7: 35:11

that Well, they don't, and really all you have to do is follow the money. You know I'm on several, you know as a guest and as a contributor on several networks. And you know, somewhere before last I was hosting for one of the major streaming. Quote unquote. Conservative networks was hosting. It was 10 hours a day, live for four days I think it was. And you know we had a lot of great guests Rand DePaul and John Cleese. It was a freedom fest. It was a great, great time, really a great time, and what was interesting about it was you know, I had, I think, during that, during that period, that four day period, I had about 80 guests. You can imagine that's a quick turnaround in guests and it's live to streaming to a lot of people. What was interesting about it was, out of all those guests, the only note that I got, the only production note from the network and it's the biggest was we try not to discuss the vaccine here because I had Robert Malone, who's a good friend of mine, on. So again, robert wasn't on inciting violence, he was just talking about his view on the vaccine. So it's very interesting that you take a look at, let's just say, fox News, for instance. Fox News, over 60% of their revenue comes from pharmaceutical companies. So if you're wanting to get you know. I don't care what side of the vaccine thing you're on, seriously I don't. However, I am on the side of get all the information you can. I don't care if somebody's you know bat banana is crazy on this side or that side or whatever. I want to have all the information and, you know, have it to me. But the fact that a major network would say we try not to discuss the vaccine here, it's like you know what I want to know. If I'm going to be sticking in my body, something in my body, I want to know what are the dangers or what are the risks, what are the benefits, that type of thing. So again, all you have to do is follow the money. And I do find it interesting Mike Lindell, who I love and you know, get the hang of it. I see him every now and then at various events and things like that. And he's a wild man and me me being an infomercial guy I just find it hilarious that people are pulling him off of media platforms because he's selling pillows and questioning election. Well, everyone questions elections. I mean, god, it was questioned back in the days of Lincoln, it was questioned, you know, I don't know about George Washington, but thinking, all the elections that are questioned, all this kind of stuff, and it's like, oh, he's inciting violence. And it's like, incite, you're going to buy pillows and like, buy my pillow and go beat the tarot. Can you imagine if he was selling ginsu knives? I mean, he's a pillow guy and he's questioning elections. It's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 1: 37:45

I know.

Speaker 7: 37:46

Anyway, don't get me started.

Speaker 1: 37:48

Maybe people are worried about a mass outbreak of pillow fighting.

Speaker 7: 37:52

That's the problem Feathers all over feathers and and farm all over the streets. It's crazy, it's an insurrection of mass proportion, unbelievable.

Speaker 1: 38:03

It's comical really. It's interesting. You bring up. It is kind of funny it is. You bring up Dr Robin Malone, and he was actually one of the episodes that, as it was uploading to my YouTube, it got taken down like in the middle, like while it was being Well, you know what's crazy about that is he.

Speaker 7: 38:19

And, yeah, and what's crazy about that is he and Jill are great patriots. And again, whether you agree with his opinion or you don't, he's a doctor. He was part of the team that developed the MRNA. He's highly credible, he's a great guy. And again, you have the folks on the other side of the of the issue. They have plenty of camera time, which is fine, because I want to know that too. I want to know everything so I can make a decision. You've got Robert and some of that posse that came out with an alternative information, which turned out to be true. But you know why would you silence that? It was not dangerous to silence that and it was interesting, you know. You know, unless you were tuning in to Joe Rogan or somebody, you couldn't get that side of the information.

Speaker 1: 39:04

Exactly, exactly. So tell me what is Crave News and you're about to start the launch in a few months. Right, and why did you start this? We're about to launch.

Speaker 7: 39:12

It's been a long time in the making. Yeah, it's been a while in the making. We're about to launch, right before the pandemic in Los Angeles and after the third visit from the county and city people who were saying, unless you're an essential business, you've got to be home. Stay at home and put a mask on and don't come within 9,000 yards of anybody else. You know all that kind of stuff. So you know we have we've always had operations in Tennessee, so we decided to move it to Tennessee. So we're about to launch it and what I find is there is an unbelievably huge hole in the new space. You know, you've got far right. You got far left. You got your squishes in the middle like Fox and MSNBC and CNN. You can't hardly tell them apart anymore. And how about just some straight up, no BS discussion. Really, how about that? And you'll. I don't know if you noticed our tag. There it is. I don't know if I can say the word on the show or not, but our tagline is real news. Yeah, yeah, by the way by the way, that is preacher tested. After that came back as the tagline that was the most popular amongst our focus group, I said you know what I'm going to make this preacher tech tested. So I sent it to one of my buddies, big Baptist preacher, and I said would you run this past some of your people? Here's five, the five top ones, and one was like unapologetic, unapologetic truth. One was you've got to have it. One was you know, just absolute disruption, stuff like that. It came back literally nine out of 10. The preachers liked real news, no bullshit. So that's where we're going with it. Now, what I find is that you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to have just a, an echo chamber like most of these networks have. You know, the echo chamber, everybody already agrees with the echo chamber, everybody's out there. Okay, if you're on the conservative side, do you? Everybody agrees. So you're out there talking to each other. You're not, you're not, you know, winning people over. If you're on the left side, you know everybody agrees with that. No one's being won over. So let's have some fun discussion. I love Rogan, known him, ran the comedy networks for years, so I've known Rogan. He's great. You have a great discussion. So why not mix up the news, have those discussions. You can have both sides, hear them both. I mean I think you know the truth typically falls to the, to the side of the right, just because you know, fiscally they tend to be more responsible and that type of thing. But I mean everybody needs to be heard. I spend more time if I'm traveling and I love road trips. I spend more time listening to left leaning media that I do right, because I want to know. I want to know why do they think that? Why, you know. And then also when I listen to the right, especially some of the stuff that's really out there, I kind of go no wonder these folks think we're nuts. So I mean, I want to know, I want to have the entire discussion out there and yeah, and I would you know, yeah. I was going to say you know, I wrote a book it was the best selling book in 2019, just getting ready to revise. It called the common sense 80% and the thesis of the book was that 80% of us agree on over 90% of the same stuff, and that's actually even bigger than that. So you know, if you sit down with somebody that you think you're on the opposite side of the political spectrum with and, by the way, the holidays are coming up and you're going to have those awkward things you know, I got my family. I got them all over the my mom's side of the family, all over the spectrum. But I tell you what we agree on way, way, way more than we disagree on we can have those discussions. That makes a big difference. Matter of fact, I challenge you, courtney and Lynn, I challenge you guys go out and find somebody that you think you're on the exact opposite side of the spectrum with and start talking about trying to find five places that you adamantly disagree on. You won't. You will not find. It doesn't happen. Now. You'll find hundreds of things you do agree on. Let's start focusing on that stuff and then the other stuff we'll figure it out later.

Speaker 1: 43:13

Yeah, well, I agree, I would argue, actually to step outside of. I mean, they play dialectical games with us, right, and they put forth dialectical narratives in order to pit us against each other, and that that is like it's. It's a strategy, and then it progresses.

Speaker 7: 43:27

When you say they it's, both sides does that. It's, it is equal, there's equal blame.

Speaker 1: 43:32

Well, I would argue, it's actually right. Well, we talk about, like the, you know, the triple MIC, right? So I actually think that they're playing both sides, it's not? You know, it's not just the side they're being. Both sides are being played and they're being dialectically played, so yeah, so it's really, we need people to all right part of why comedy. When you talk about comedy, we need artists. I talk about this all the time because those are the people who typically can color outside the lines. They step outside of those narratives and they can often see things that are outside of those they're. They're, they're the wordsmith and they literally cast spells right. So I we need to be able to step out the wizard circle yeah.

Speaker 7: 44:11

Well, you know, when you cast emotion like that. And you know, one thing I like is I like statistics. You want to hear a statistic? I just you know, because you know I spent split my time for the last 30 years, you know, with homes in Tennessee and California, and so I just got an amazing tennis or amazing California stat. You want to hear this. This is crazy. You like statistics? Right, you're, you're an analytical. There are 44 million residents in the state of California and of those 44 million residents now get this. Over the last three years this is no kidding over the last three years, over 850,000 of them have come out as trans. Now their, their, their pronouns are Texas, florida and Tennessee. So I think it's going to work out.

Speaker 1: 45:01

That's great, I love that. Yeah, people fleeing their.

Speaker 7: 45:06

Well, they're fleeing. And what's crazy is we're probably going to have Gavin Newsom as a candidate, you know, in it for president. I mean, the Democrats are probably. And here's a guy. I'm watching this Sean Hannity interview and again, I love Sean, but same show every single day. But it's the same same same thing. And he gets on with with with Gavin Newsom Same thing, you know. And Newsom is on there and he's talking about how great California is. The streets are lined with gold and the people are transported by magical rainbow colored, solar powered unicorns. That crap lollipops for the perfectly well adjusted children to eat and their parents lavish in the glow of low taxes. And you know, it's just like, for the love of God and Sean doesn't question him on it You've got the highest tax rates in the country. You've got the. I mean, I just filled my car up out there a couple of weeks ago. You know what I paid for gas $6.40 a gallon $6.40. And, by the way, just filled my cheap up here in Tennessee $2.73 right here just a couple of days ago.

Speaker 1: 46:12

Yeah, at one point when I was in California it was like seven something. It was insane in Santa Monica, it was nuts.

Speaker 7: 46:18

It's nuts.

Speaker 1: 46:20

So you actually you were going to run for office and decided not to right.

Speaker 7: 46:26

Yeah, you know I was hit up by a lot of people. I co-chair a thing in California, kind of an underground group of donors called CA180. And it's really the mission of that is to turn the state around and it's to connect all of the common sense Republican, libertarian, conservative groups, connect all of those leaders, because it's very interesting. You know, you've got this massive state out there more registered Republicans you know in California than a lot of the country, frankly, but nobody talks to each other and you got your crazy nut far right wing posse. Then you got your more moderate posse. Then they're kind of all over the map and instead of coordinating they fight with each other in this Republican circular firing squad. So my thought was you know I was getting hit up to do it by you know all over the place and so went out there, hit about I don't know over 30 counties. I know we spent about three months and burnt a lot of jet fuel talking to people and the conclusion was I just don't think that the Republican party or the independence or whoever can ever get it together enough out there to fight that machine. It can be done, it's just nobody will sit down at the same table. And, by the way, one thing I learned on this trip that I already knew, but it was just really reinforced. You have a lot of great Republicans, you have a lot of great independence and you have a tremendous amount of really good common sense. Democrats who have just had it with this. You know the nuisance of the world and then the shifts of the world. They don't. You know, the good old fashioned classic liberal has nothing in common with them and they're done with them. I don't know that they'll hold their. I mean you know that they'll hold their nose enough to vote for Republican, but I mean they are finished with that. So it's wide open if we can go out there and just focus on the issues that we agree on abortion and gay marriage or whatever your thing is on that. You know, if you're to the far right guess what? Never going to be one in California so put it up on a shelf and let's get to work together on crime. Let's get to work on those failing schools 49th out of 50 in schools out there. Let's get to work on these taxes. Let's get to work on the infrastructure out there. But instead, you know, the far right throws it away on stuff that can't ever. So we never get to legislate. They haven't figured out the concept that if we don't win, we don't govern. You know?

Speaker 6: 48:49

and then when we do win.

Speaker 7: 48:50

We have to govern properly, we have to govern with integrity, like we promised our constituents and, by the way, constituents here in Tennessee much different than constituents in California or Florida or Texas or New Jersey, wherever it may be.

Speaker 1: 49:06

It's so true, and I think it's also that the right in general, yes, they're constantly in fighting and I think that's by design they're, you know, they keep their. There's all this cognitive infiltration that causes them to do all this in fighting. But I also think, as you said, that they're when they're picking the topics. You know, they play the reactionary and I think that that's really really a big part of the problem. So they're never taking the offense, they're not yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7: 49:36

Courtney, I was going to say you hit it right on the head, you hit it. It's the reaction. And here's something you find is that and of course the media loves this, but you know you take a look at all this nonsense, woke stuff that's going on right now. And, by the way, just because somebody's a Democrat or a little left of center doesn't mean they're on board with any of that nonsense.

Speaker 1: 49:57

That.

Speaker 7: 49:57

BS. I mean, if you take a look at who's really on with that stuff I, you know, I'm a numbers guy, I look at stats constantly and it's less than 3% of the public is even on board with the minor stuff, let alone the crazy stuff like the mutilating kids and all like that. It's less than 3% of the public but yet we give them the power by acknowledging them. You know, it's like an annoying. It's like it's like an annoying kid. You know what? Just don't pay attention. There's 9,000 other people in the, in the restaurant to talk to and hang out with. Don't pay attention to the annoying kid, but we do. We all come running and battle the. You know it's stupid. We give them the power. We got to stop doing that. And again there's such a small minority. You know God, I don't get it.

Speaker 1: 50:42

Yeah, I, I so agree.

Speaker 7: 50:44

And you know unfortunately. I had a I saw you in Nashville, you guys, you know, last month in Nashville and it was interesting, I don't know if I told you guys about it. We were all a bunch of us sitting around and I had had a plane ride. I was going to DC to speak of the thing, and some guys sitting next to me, who you can tell is right on the woke train he's one of those 3% that's bananas and he was going to. He was flying there to. From what he tells me, he was representing his 15 year old nephew, who's also his God son, because his parents would not let him transition. So he had filed a suit on the kid's behalf so he could go and and he's just trying to goad me on, he's trying, he's just trying to, he's trying to, you know, get me to react to it and I and I'm just, you know, you know whatever. Finally, you know he just keeps pushing and I finally look at him. I'm not going to tell you the exact words, but I said, I said listen, and I never get. I really I just said listen. You know, I understand where you're coming from and if you think that this is the right thing to do, you need to go do that, but you need to hold his hand. You know in love and you need to look at your nephew right straight in the eye and say, look, you're going to go get your thing chopped off and it is my responsibility. Whatever happens, whatever drugs are in, whatever happens for the rest of your life, I'm the one responsible for that. So you go have that conversation with him. Not my business, I don't. I'm guessing that that guy was having a lot of thoughts when he got in the Uber heading to pick up his nephew.

Speaker 1: 52:19

Yeah, I'm sure it's so sad because when you look at how this agenda is being pushed, you know, I mean, so many of these kids are they're? They're so confused, you know, I mean I was growing up you didn't hear they're being taught these things that never even entered the forefront for most of these children. Most of them don't, you know, know enough about like they're trying to navigate the day. They're trying to figure out like who they are, let alone be bombarded with all this, you know vernacular. That doesn't actually make any sense.

Speaker 7: 52:51

I mean, there's actual yeah, and, and you know, god bless them for their confusion. These kids are growing up in a very confusing time and you know, when you hit that 18th birthday, if you feel like that's the right thing to do, go do it. But I just I don't understand how children well, I understand it because again follow the money, tremendous amount of money in the, in that sex change business and the pharmaceutical business that follows it. For the rest of the tremendous amount of money, I get it. But I just don't, for the life of me, don't understand why people are taking the bait on it rather than just having that you know, saying hey, you know what, if you're taking the responsibility, go for it.

Speaker 1: 53:27

Yeah, I think they really need you. I mean, I think there is obviously, as you said, there's a lot of money at play. There's definitely a business model for the pharmaceutical companies they get a lifelong patient but there's also a bigger agenda at play as well. I personally think, you know, I think they're really pushing this.

Speaker 7: 53:43

Well, it's a there's a massive agenda to destabilize them. I mean, if you think a lot of this stuff and it's both sides, you have the globalists on both sides. You've got Republicans that are hanging out with Clow Schwab, just like you got Democrats. I mean, you know, at the end, of the day, they're really.

Speaker 1: 53:57

You're playing them against each other.

Speaker 7: 54:00

Well, they are. Well, they're not even playing against each other. You've got this globalist crew. That's one crew and it's divided.

Speaker 1: 54:05

No, no, no, that's what I mean the globalists.

Speaker 7: 54:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:08

Oh yeah, that's what I mean. The globalists are playing the left and right against each other to create the uniparty.

Speaker 7: 54:13

Absolutely Well, they're playing the left and right down here where we're at. You know they're when you're when you're. You know hanging out with Clow Schwab. You've come in on your own jet, you're doing the whole thing and it's it's a whole another world. So you got the Mitt Romney's of the world, even some folks who I thought were kind, of, you know, well-balanced. You know centrist conservatives that are playing in that field now. But there's so much money in the globalist field but they do have to get the country destabilized first. So screw up the schools, screw up their heads. You know the, you know the banking says all this kind of stuff. So yeah, it's, there's. There's a lot at play here.

Speaker 1: 54:48

Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more Well, we are wrapping up. We're running out of time. I will definitely we should do a long form on my show and we have lots more to discuss, but yeah, if you have anything else you want to.

Speaker 7: 55:00

Courtney, you are awesome. Thank you so much. No just always glad to hang out with you. Very, very, very good to be with you this afternoon.

Speaker 1: 55:08

Likewise, likewise. Please tell everybody where they can find you, where they can learn more about Crave News, all your book, all the great stuff you're doing, and anything else you want to leave us with, just Google me or hit me on KentEmmonscom.

Speaker 7: 55:22

I'm not a big social media guy.

Speaker 1: 55:24

No worries, that's great, awesome. Well to be continued, and thank you for everything you're doing and for spending the time with us today. We're going to have a little word from our conference and then we'll be back.

Speaker 4: 55:43

I don't know if this country can be saved. The information war on any battlefield, on any physical battlefield that I have been on, has always been the most important component of war itself. So they were actually people in our government that were in the executive branch undermining the president of the United States without his knowledge. So that's basically an act of treason.

Speaker 5: 56:27

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Speaker 1: 58:18

Wow, thank you so much for watching Two awesome guests. I think we can learn anything from them, and is that individuals really can make a difference, and that is really what we need. I talk about parallel systems all the time and, as I had said in my opening, unfortunately what happens with a lot of people who are doing parallel systems is that they're they kind of opt out of the system altogether, and what we really need is parallel systems while fighting in the mainstream system, and that is what both of them are doing, and so I encourage everybody in their way, whatever they can, whether it's by supporting those things or by creating your own. That that's what we need to do. We really need people who are, you know, proponents of the free market to engage in the free market, and particularly, I think, in the media, because controlling the narrative hence the name of this show right is exactly what they do, and so it's really important that there are other voices in the narratives and that there are other narratives to be heard, because one thing to you know, I was saying with Kent about playing the reactionary it's one thing to say you're against something. We need to show that we're for things, and we really need to not always be on the defense and reacting. So yeah, so thank you so much for watching and thank you to Amp and to Kristi Lee for giving me the honor. To fill in, If you want to find more of my work, it is at CourtneyTurnercom. I think it's misspelled over there. There is an R, it's C-O-U-R-T-E-N-A-Y-T-U-R-N-E-Rcom, so you can find all of my podcasts and information about all of my work there. And thanks again for watching and don't forget to share the counter narrative. Thank you.